Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-10 Thread John Holland
I appreciate your taking the time to send that, and also thanks to Nick Holland for posting earlier. I'm writing this on the laptop in question. It seems like, as with so many things, it's hard to know who to believe and things are probably more nuanced than some would say. That's my way

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-10 Thread tetrosalame
Il 05/09/2023 14:54, John Holland ha scritto: I just had a kernel panic when reloading a firefox tab pointed at [...] I've really been enjoying OpenBSD but I think it could really use a journaled filesystem. I believe I have the correct options in fstab for [...] Journals *might* make

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-08 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
If push comes to shove, then the journaling file system may lose more data, but it will be consistent. FFS will have written as much as possible, sometimes without association with an inode, that's when people encounter full lost+found directories. Neither file system will correctly record the

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-08 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 22:52:59 -0400 Nick Holland wrote: > On 9/6/23 08:23, John Holland wrote: > > Janne- > > > > Thanks for all that useful information. > > > > others- this is a thinkpad, that's not on all the time, so a cron > > backup is not that good. I actually back up manually, currently

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-08 Thread Janne Johansson
Den fre 8 sep. 2023 kl 03:47 skrev Steve Litt : > > My main computer is Void Linux. If I had to restore from backup every > time the disks became mildly messed up, all my time would be spent > backing up and restoring. > > I remember back in the 90's and early 00's before journalling every >

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-07 Thread Steve Litt
My main computer is Void Linux. If I had to restore from backup every time the disks became mildly messed up, all my time would be spent backing up and restoring. I remember back in the 90's and early 00's before journalling every system crash was grounds for an ulcer. I didn't know that the

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-06 Thread Nick Holland
On 9/6/23 08:23, John Holland wrote: Janne- Thanks for all that useful information. others- this is a thinkpad, that's not on all the time, so a cron backup is not that good. I actually back up manually, currently using "borg" for that. I mostly just do email and web on it so there's probably

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-06 Thread John Holland
Janne- Thanks for all that useful information. others- this is a thinkpad, that's not on all the time, so a cron backup is not that good. I actually back up manually, currently using "borg" for that. I mostly just do email and web on it so there's probably nothing serious lost. In a few days

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-06 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-09-05, Ronan Viel wrote: > What about backup? > tar is ready to use. The file formats currently supported by tar/pax don't work for all situations (they can't store all filenames). For a base OS tool for backup, dump is probably a better choice.

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-06 Thread Janne Johansson
Den tis 5 sep. 2023 kl 20:53 skrev John Holland : > > I have a backup that is at least 2 days old offsite at a friend’s house. It > would be a bit of a pain to go retrieve it, but I could do that. > > Short of that, I have 4000+ files in lost+found with names like #1094827. > What can I do with

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread deich...@placebonol.com
A couple questions, did you look OpenBSD installer create the filesystems or did you define a custom layout? FWIW, you should have a pretty good idea what is in/home. I reckon you could ignore lost+found contents as they would be related to some application running when the fault occurred.

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 9/5/23 15:41, Rudolf Leitgeb wrote: On Tue, 2023-09-05 at 14:16 -0400, John Holland wrote: So this gave me the list of the files with what they seem to be in groups. I think a lot of them are browser cache, jpegs, pngsI looked at some of the gzipped ones and they were web pages and css

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
On Tue, 2023-09-05 at 14:16 -0400, John Holland wrote: > So this gave me the list of the files with what they seem to be in > groups. I think a lot of them are browser cache, jpegs, pngsI > looked > at some of the gzipped ones and they were web pages and css files. > > There are some that

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread Ronan Viel
What about backup? tar is ready to use. Ronan > Le 5 sept. 2023 à 16:12, John Holland a écrit : > > I just had a kernel panic when reloading a firefox tab pointed at facebook. > After restarting, all the filesystems had errors but /home was particularly > bad and caused the boot to stop

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread John Holland
Sorry to kind of have an attitude with the "please don't suggest..."   -- I realized I could kind of do something like that. as root, using bash I ran #cd /home/lost+found #echo "" > ~jholland/list; for i in `ls`; do file $i >> ~jholland/list; done and then as me (jholland) I ran cat list

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread John Holland
I have a backup that is at least 2 days old offsite at a friend’s house. It would be a bit of a pain to go retrieve it, but I could do that. Short of that, I have 4000+ files in lost+found with names like #1094827. What can I do with those? I tried running “file” on the first 50 via xargs and

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread Andreas Kähäri
On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 08:54:58AM -0400, John Holland wrote: > I just had a kernel panic when reloading a firefox tab pointed at facebook. > After restarting, all the filesystems had errors but /home was particularly > bad and caused the boot to stop and prompt if I wanted to enter a root >

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread John Holland
I turned off softdep. My backups aren't super-current so I don't see restoring from backup as a good idea. My point was, OpenBSD is behind some other OS's (most?) in the filesystem department. I know, "patches welcome" :) .. On 9/5/23 08:54, John Holland wrote: I just had a kernel

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread Manuel Solis
As the book "OpenBSD Mastery Filesystems", Michael W Lucas, 2023 reads at the side cover: “Many users assume that their advanced filesystem is better than UFS because they have so many features—snapshots, checksums, compression, sophisticated caching algorithms, and so on—while all UFS has ever

Re: desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread Dave Voutila
John Holland writes: > I just had a kernel panic when reloading a firefox tab pointed at > facebook. After restarting, all the filesystems had errors but /home > was particularly bad and caused the boot to stop and prompt if I > wanted to enter a root shell. > > > I eventually got fsck to mark

desire for journaled filesystem

2023-09-05 Thread John Holland
I just had a kernel panic when reloading a firefox tab pointed at facebook. After restarting, all the filesystems had errors but /home was particularly bad and caused the boot to stop and prompt if I wanted to enter a root shell. I eventually got fsck to mark the /home filesystem clean but