Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-07 Thread Karel Gardas
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Tinker wrote: > There's the Fujitsu Sparc M10 line, > http://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/servers/unix/sparc/ , and > Oracle Sparc T7 , https://www.oracle.com/servers/sparc/t7-1/index.html . > > This was what you meant right? The prices on those boxes

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-06 Thread Bryan C. Everly
Michael, The challenge is device drivers for the video cards. Especially in the PA-RISC case because there really is no documentation for them. I've spent some time on the HP end of things and unfortunately was in over my head pretty quickly. Thanks, Bryan On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Mich

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-06 Thread Michael Lambert
> On 5 May 2016, at 19:52, Bryan Everly wrote: > > Unfortunately PA-RISC doesn't have X support at the console. You can > run X on it and have the Windows render on a SPARC, MIPS or Intel > platform though. Neither does Alpha (AXP). Does anyone know if there are blockers in building xenocara on

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-06 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Bryan Everly wrote: Unfortunately PA-RISC doesn't have X support at the console. You can run X on it and have the Windows render on a SPARC, MIPS or Intel platform though. sorry, didn't know that. I always did run my HP hardware headless... so I never noticed. I always liked the CPU since

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Tinker
On 2016-05-06 10:45, Predrag Punosevac wrote: .. (albeit almost all obsolete) platform restricts to ultra-sparc (old sparcs are fun, but slow by any means and also the CPU support is for OpenBSD hit and miss... 2 of my SparcStations are unstable), PPC (some Sparc (old 32-bit SUN hardware from l

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > Gregory Edigarov wrote: > > if I want to build a non-wintel system with commodity running OpenBSD > > without problems, what are my options? The only live architectures besides AMD64 are ARM and MIPS64 routers. I have also heard of RISC-V and OpenRISK but have

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread arrowscript
Why is ARM not mentioned? patrick@ seems to be doing a great job on this port. Bitrig is also a thing. i.MX6 processor seem well supported and could easily run desktop stuff like HD videos. I think ODROID-C1 run already, no? It's just $35 last time I checked. Sabrelite is the standard for i.MX6,

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Bryan Everly
Unfortunately PA-RISC doesn't have X support at the console. You can run X on it and have the Windows render on a SPARC, MIPS or Intel platform though. Thanks, Bryan > On May 5, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > > Hi, > > Gregory Edigarov wrote: >> if I want to build a non-wintel syste

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Gregory Edigarov wrote: if I want to build a non-wintel system with commodity running OpenBSD without problems, what are my options? preferably something non-apple also, which i will be able to connect display, mouse, and keyboard, and hopefully run X, etc. since we don't have Raspberry

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2016-05-05, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > if I want to build a non-wintel system with commodity running OpenBSD > without problems, what are my options? > preferably something non-apple also, which i will be able to connect > display, mouse, and keyboard, and hopefully run X, etc. There aren't

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2016-05-05, "Bryan C. Everly" wrote: > The fastest desktop that I own is a SunBlade 2500 Silver (don't let > the name throw you, it is a tower desktop machine). That machine is 12 years old. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Ted Unangst
Gregory Edigarov wrote: > if I want to build a non-wintel system with commodity running OpenBSD > without problems, what are my options? If you install openbsd, then it won't be wintel. :)

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Cody Swanson
Agreed, SPARC is your best bet for a non-x86 workstation with reasonable X support. I have some older SGI hardware that runs OpenBSD but the X support is hit and miss and certainly not as refined as the SPARC workstations I've tried. I think the last SPARC workstations Sun made were the ultra 25

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread David Coppa
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Bryan C. Everly wrote: > Gregory, > It's pretty speedy and mostly useful. The only downside is web > browser support. Since Firefox and Chromium aren't available for > anything other than i386 and amd64 platforms, it's kind of hit and > miss. If anyone on the li

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 05:30:21PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > Hi everybody, > > if I want to build a non-wintel system with commodity running OpenBSD > without problems, what are my options? > preferably something non-apple also, which i will be able to connect > display, mouse, and keyboar

Re: non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Bryan C. Everly
Gregory, I'm a big fan / collector of non Wintel stuff and I run OpenBSD on it all. I can tell you that the 64-bit SPARC stuff seems to be the best fit for your use case in my experience. The downside is that a desktop (or heaven forbid laptop) solution hasn't really been manufactured for a whil

non-wintel hardware choices

2016-05-05 Thread Gregory Edigarov
Hi everybody, if I want to build a non-wintel system with commodity running OpenBSD without problems, what are my options? preferably something non-apple also, which i will be able to connect display, mouse, and keyboard, and hopefully run X, etc. -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov