On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:39 +, Sebastien Carlier wrote:
Rui,
On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
The spirit of the GNU GPL is to maintain freedom for all users.
You don't seem to get the fact that the BSD license is *more free*
than the GPL because the BSD
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 00:30 -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
Obviously you have missed some of my commentaries on the GPL vs. BSD
philosophy. I don't hate the GPL. I dislike it compared to the BSD
alternative in general (I dislike milk chocolate compared to dark
chocolate, too, but either beats
Hello List,
I'd like to do a similar thing like this:
web_servers = { 10.0.0.10, 10.0.0.11, 10.0.0.13 }
rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any to any port 80 - $web_servers \
round-robin sticky-address
But I'd like to define multiple ports and I'd like to loop through the
ports.
So like
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:33:42 +0700, Mark Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well,
I already tried to do that, but it seem that OpenBSD installer dont use
bios information (things like no bios on dmesg). I might trying to install
openBSD 3.9 or 4.1, since I have successfully install a 3.9 on
On 9/14/07, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
Ok, here is a sample. I tried a connection from my workstation 10.0.0.103
to ftp.openbsd.org.
Firewall's pf.conf
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if_loopback=lo0 # loopback
if_public=em1 # connected to public network
if_int=bnx1 #
The latest snapshot (13. Sept). of amd64 bsd.mp with ACPI enabled runs
stable on two X4100 M2 which are identically configured (single SAS
disk only, no RAID-1 yet, with current BIOS/SP/SAS Firmware from Sun).
As Daniel already observed with a snapshot that is two days older,
booting is much
On Thursday 13 September 2007, Jason Dixon wrote:
It boggles my mind that we can lie around complacently, arguing about
installer menus and taking the bait from trolls, while our freedoms
are quickly eroding away. The rights and recognition of one of our
own developers (reyk@) have been
Hello,
For some reason when I try to add my bridge interface to one of my
cards it just hangs. My commands are:
ifconfig bridge0 create
ifconfig bridge0 add fxp1
And it just hangs pretty much forever until i Ctrl-C it... If I put in
my /etc/hostname.bridge0 file...
add fxp1
up
...then on my
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 03:33:18AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
the clearest public analysis of the situation yet
thank you. I've tried but I get too pissed.
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I'm getting garbled printouts when I try to print to my xp network
shared printer, an HP DeskJet 722C, from my OpenBSD 4.1 box. A good
for instance is the OpenBSD home page. Graphics printed great, but
about 3/4 of the left side of the page was
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has
the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow
some users to loose freedom...
Hello again Rui,
the US. Over here, if you own a copy of a
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:09:41AM -0700, Greg Thomas wrote:
On 9/14/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:49:33AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote:
| I don't establish *anything*. It's in the preamble.
Your exact words are that's in the preamble,
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 05:29:31PM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has the
freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow some users
to loose freedom...
You make the point of using
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to
change a program because he has no access to the source code.
You seem to be entirely missing the irony of making this statement
in the context of an argument about
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has
the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow
some users to loose freedom...
Hello again Rui,
the US. Over
Good luck doing so without any source code.
Teehee Teehee. No luck required.
It does however take a wee bit of skill and competence.
Actually, for exacting work, the source is a liability.
The source tends to make assorted bugs vanish.
You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without
Damien Miller wrote:
To: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Cc: J.C. Roberts; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without
the freedom
to change a program
On 9/15/07, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The GNU Manifesto by Richard Stallman can be found here:
http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/info/GNUGNU
If Stallman actually believed a word of what he wrote above, he would
still be dedicating all of his works to the public domain since it
would
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 12:58:36PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote:
You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to
change a program because he has no access to the source code.
That is only because you are uneducated in the art of assembly and more
importantly there
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 07:11:38AM -0500, Tony Abernethy wrote:
Good luck doing so without any source code.
Teehee Teehee. No luck required.
It does however take a wee bit of skill and competence.
Actually, for exacting work, the source is a liability.
The source tends to make assorted bugs
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:54:10PM +1000, Damien Miller wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to
change a program because he has no access to the source code.
You seem to be entirely missing the
as if that would make all past wrong
arguments become true.
Your subjunctive is derailed.
Tweedledee is getting tweedledummer and dummer
Doing a pf.conf tidy up. From the pf.conf man page on 4.1:
STATE MODULATION
Much of the security derived from TCP is attributable to how well the
initial sequence numbers (ISNs) are chosen. Some popular stack implemen
tations choose very poor ISNs and thus are normally susceptible to ISN
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 07:25:29AM -0500, Tony Abernethy wrote:
Damien Miller wrote:
To: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Cc: J.C. Roberts; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
You seem uneducated about how
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 12:33:02PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has
the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow
some users to loose
Jake Conk wrote:
Hello,
For some reason when I try to add my bridge interface to one of my
cards it just hangs. My commands are:
ifconfig bridge0 create
ifconfig bridge0 add fxp1
And it just hangs pretty much forever until i Ctrl-C it... If I put in
my /etc/hostname.bridge0 file...
So you admit you are incompetent.
If you were really competent you would be able to read the blinking lights
and alter running programs via the swwitches.
By the way, there is a difference between reading and writing.
But then, you seem to actually be THAT incompetent.
-Original
On Sep 15, 2007, at 9:42 AM, bofh wrote:
On 9/15/07, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The GNU Manifesto by Richard Stallman can be found here:
http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/info/GNUGNU
If Stallman actually believed a word of what he wrote above, he would
still be dedicating all of his
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 18:55 -0700, asdf wrote:
--- Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some
kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse
Geez, a thread that should have died already and I'm contributing to it.
I've used FreeBSD and OpenBSD for at least 9 years. I much prefer the
OpenBSD installer over the FreeBSD installer any day. If people read
just a tiny little bit the OpenBSD install docs they'd realize the
OpenBSD method
This definitly has to be a joke :) You're pulling my leg, mister! ;)
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:13:31AM -0500, Tony Abernethy wrote:
So you admit you are incompetent.
If you were really competent you would be able to read the blinking lights
and alter running programs via the swwitches.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 03:53:02PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 12:33:02PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has
the freedom to modify it.
Most people think it's magic, and most don't understand that
I've always had the impression that OpenBSD is NOT most people
They seem to be people who think it's actually worthwhile knowing what they
are talking about.
Seems like most people on this list think that you are incredibly dense and
Great attitude! As the main spokesperson for GNU this is exactly what
you should do. Run run run!!
You are in essence saying: go ahead break the law, I'll look the other
way. Bravo! I am totally impressed by your ethics ramblings.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:09:19PM -0400, Richard Stallman
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah
* Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-14 21:39]:
USB - the number of boxes I've had to disable USB on to stabilise,
this would not usually be my first choice. ymmv, as they say (-:
wtf?
out of the about 180 i control i don't have a simgle one with usb
disabled...
--
Henning Brauer,
* L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-14 18:33]:
At 12:00 PM 9/14/2007 -0400, Trash Compactor wrote:
Alternatively, you can put puc(4) cards into an OpenBSD box or hook
up a tangle of ucom(4) adapters to a tree of powered USB hubs
There are several multi-port USB-serial adapters
Rolf Sommerhalder wrote:
The latest snapshot (13. Sept). of amd64 bsd.mp with ACPI enabled runs
stable on two X4100 M2 which are identically configured (single SAS
disk only, no RAID-1 yet, with current BIOS/SP/SAS Firmware from Sun).
Be caution and with reserved! Not stable if you do not add
* Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-15 16:21]:
Doing a pf.conf tidy up. From the pf.conf man page on 4.1:
STATE MODULATION
Much of the security derived from TCP is attributable to how well the
initial sequence numbers (ISNs) are chosen. Some popular stack implemen
tations choose
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:54:10PM +1000, Damien Miller wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to
change a program because he has no access to
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Hello fellows from the OpenBSD community,
I just wanted to stop and smell the roses. I occasionally play around
with other systems, of the Unix variety and, for the sake of seeing
things through the looking glass, taking an outside perspective, the
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 08:19:39AM +1000, Damien Miller wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:54:10PM +1000, Damien Miller wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is
On 9/15/07, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This has everything to do with Stallman's FSF/SFLC lawyer cronies.
They're the ones giving faulty counsel to Linux developers.
I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. People who
have spoken with him indicated to me that he is
Question: Is it true there was a developer's comment line in the Linux
kernel that said, Does this belong here?
Don't know that. But I do see this:
ftp -Vo -
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/sys/arch/mac68k/mac68k/machdep.c?rev=1.142
| grep belong
Greetings.
On Saturday 15 September 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version
has the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't
allow some users to loose freedom...
I been looking for ways to let normal user run privileged commands and
after some searching found that adding users to the wheel group is bad
and also adding NOPASSWD and ALL = ALL to sudoers for an user is also
plain as bad. The only alternative I can think of at the moment is to
populate the
What exactly are you trying to enable users to do? The fact that you need to
provide normal users with these kind of privileges indicates a possible flaw
in your overall scheme. You may find that, after careful reconsideration,
there are precious few commands that you would actually have to
So you are suggesting that all the ethics ramblings coming out of
gnu.org aren't relevant? Because gnu.org is clearly looking the other
way ignoring copyright infringement.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 07:41:55PM -0400, bofh wrote:
On 9/15/07, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This has
On 9/15/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I been looking for ways to let normal user run privileged commands and
after some searching found that adding users to the wheel group is bad
and also adding NOPASSWD and ALL = ALL to sudoers for an user is also
plain as bad. The only alternative I
In the case of Ryek's code, the reverse is true but instead of admitting
the mistake and making the needed corrections, FSF has pulled out their
lawyers in hopes of getting away with the theft.
You have jumped to a false conclusion. The FSF is not involved in
this; Linux is not our
On 15-Sep-07, at 10:57 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Fact #3
Any way you want to look at it, looks like very much a Copyright
violation was committed, but then SFLC said it's OK. Front page:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/
No debate and can't be argue.
Fact #4
And publish a release to that
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