Re: ATA Soft Updates or Write Caching

2005-09-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
When using ATA drives, I have to make a choice between write caching or soft updates, since write caching with soft updates creates an unsafe situation. I assume by 'write caching' you mean async. No. You have that wrong. async is always unsafe. Everything else you say says that you

Re: ATA Soft Updates or Write Caching

2005-09-30 Thread Will H. Backman
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Theo de Raadt Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:51 PM To: Michael Favinsky Cc: 'misc@openbsd.org' Subject: Re: ATA Soft Updates or Write Caching When using ATA drives, I have to make a choice

Re: ATA Soft Updates or Write Caching

2005-09-30 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 12:51:21PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: When using ATA drives, I have to make a choice between write caching or soft updates, since write caching with soft updates creates an unsafe situation. I assume by 'write caching' you mean async. No. I think he meant caching

Re: ATA Soft Updates or Write Caching

2005-09-30 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 09:39:42PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: I assume by 'write caching' you mean async. No. I think he meant caching by the disk device (see the note about atactl writecachedisable). I forgot: And thus may be as (or even more) worse as async. But then I'm a

Re: ATA Soft Updates or Write Caching

2005-09-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 09:39:42PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: I assume by 'write caching' you mean async. No. I think he meant caching by the disk device (see the note about atactl writecachedisable). I forgot: And thus may be as (or even more) worse as async. But then

Re: ATA Soft Updates or Write Caching

2005-09-30 Thread Nick Holland
Michael Favinsky wrote: I understand async is always unsafe. I don't mean async. I don't use async. I mean the hardware write cache built into the ATA drives. I read somewhere Funny...I've read lots of things that proved to be wrong. Wrote a few things, too. ;) that, unlike SCSI drives, the