far be it for me to stay out of a conversation that i was not included in... but when it comes to the mighty sonic youth, i take that as fighting words, where i come from the sonic youth laid the blueprint for 3, maybe 4 million different guitar bands since 19 and seventy whatever...i mean where would blonde redhead be w/o the youth..? to the younger listees, do the math, and i dont mean math rock, i mean the sonic youth are like a treasure chest of sounds and songs and "indie guitar swing"....think they're major label trash, pick up the silver session cd, released for a dead fan,as tribute....pick up the 3-cd series on syr records, with jim o'rourke, and others, and then tell me the SY are not as indie as all get out.... to the sensitive listboy- noise for noise sake is what its all about....no noise equals everclear.....its yr trip,kill yr idols..... thanks for the precious time..... obsessive fanboy in the SY army #47 mattnice