yeah cameron, the crowd was bad. waddya expect this is surf city. moshing was cool in 1987, but as ian mackaye says " find a new dance it's 1995 for chrissakes.." dramamine was pretty amazing, but yeah the crowd was pretty unimaginative. Maybe im just a jaded oldtymer, but sometimes i think you kids need to enroll in a class called punk rock 101, and learn some history. i dont know gertrude