In response to this: (NOTE:nevermind, I just end up rambling on about nothing, really) <<What I tell people is, "You know why I'm an elitist pig? Because so many people actually LIKE 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire?' Because that's proof positive that 90 percent of the human beans walking around on the planet are largely dysfunctional jackasses. This may not mean all mainstream music sucks by nature, but it certainly means that there is no relationship between popularity and quality." Loring Wirbel >> I agree with this in many ways, but in many ways I want to disagree with this. These human beans you speak of-- they are... but often I find myself at the point that I need to give them a chance, because they really need to give themselves a chance-- I don't know... for instance, I go to school in Oklahoma at OSU (a state college).. and my first 2 years thus far, I've put up/"tempered" myself with people totally the opposite of myself-- a lot of face-value kinda people. Yuo see, I'm in a fraternity-- one that did haze until about 7 months ago, so I had to go through that shit as well (most of which is gone... for which I also feel like I can write a nice play on fiction and the small reality). For 2 years, I fell sheltered to these people-- a few assholes, just like you know them-- and then some pretty decent people... mostly my drinking buddies (go to parties and laugh and gawk at the dumbass, red red meat mannequins walking about the devil's den-- more face value than you can realize). I feel like I'm always gonna run into people like this-- I didn't join this thing for the fun of it, the merit, etc. I was more or less pushed into upon my passive, yet very hesitant hand, by my stepdad and a brother already at the same college and in this THING. An experience, I guess. I'm like the only introvert in a house so unruly and unorganized. I've just learned to come to terms with people like this. I've come to realize only so many people can be your best friends (travelling to OKC and Norman, OK almsot monthly to see my beloved friends). We're all consumers, to some extent-- and this consumerism is at the root of our inhumanity, I feel. We are currently in somewhat of an economic boom-- society is happy... and thus all of these shit groups (N' Sync, etc.)... and MTV gets ratings based on it-- with their statistics pooling from their TRL. I, too, hate how people consume from the shelf conveniently in front of them. I hate how people will pick up their cell phone- mid-conversation in the car, at a coffee shop, etc. Society sucks-- it really blows ass, and until we have another recession, upon my theory anyway, no one will look to other options-- as what so conveniently and "timed" happened with Nirvana-- people became more "human" it seemed. You know: I just hate how opinions separate each man from one another... I saw "Pleasantville" earlier, again. I love that movie almost despite the plot-- it is the very sociological premise that hits me frantically. Everything isn't perfect-- it's not how each individual wants to be (someone else's perfect)... it can never happen. Anything that man creates, he can just as well easily fuck it up or otherwise corrupt it-- (SEE organized religion, politics, [mass-]production VS hand-made crafts and items). so if you don't see what I'm saying, why not ream someone for not being a human being rather than gawking at them just like they do you? I think everyone should at least like or pay some attention to the Flaming Lips, but that only seems somewhat common in the UK (they're still unheard of to MANY people in Oklahoma-- their home state, since we've really only got a tap on the country biz) grow up-- cuz you're always gonna be flippin' off that guy who swerves into your lane. but to answer your question, Loring: there is a significant relationship between popularity and quality; basic assumption of economics: "The value of a good is subjective"... and you're right, these mindless beand will never discover the extent of their media-induced brainwashing-- and it still confuses me, but I don't get mad over it. cuz : "well, you're livin' your life- that's the price you pay" but I think now... I haven't said anything at all to the point, and now you're all gonna rag on me for being a FRAT boy (when I'm more sensitive and caring and philosophical than any of you will ever even care to give a shit about)... so, honestly, I don't give a rats ass what you indie elitists think-- I wear clothes everyday, for example-- and that's what they are... they may not be representative of the thoughts constantly flowing through my head (keeping my severed head awake at night), but at least I know that the nice 25 year old girl that I work with that has bleach blonde hair (and a 5 year old kid) has suffered more in her lifetime than any of you emo shits can stomach-- and yet she's a surprisingly upbeat person. sorry-- I have to say I very much dislike the Get Up Kids-- I feel like anyone can do that... the music people listen to lets you into their minds-- if it be N' Sync, they are commonly mindless, in my opinion, and I pay little attention to them, since there are too many people in this world for me to meet so why even bother-- I'll grace their presence, just as they will be in the movie of my life... but why condemn them since they are in dire need of conditioning-- point: challenge them... "what does fucking people over do for you, sir? does it please your ego that you hurt someone?" blah blah blah shuttin' up my deathporn immortality blues, Jacob a proof, formulated from an anecdote, that I wish was true: "good things come to those who wait" so, we can say, good things come to those who are patient.. ?? and then patience is often considered a virtue-- thus, "good things come to those who are virtuous"... but, in my case, that's complete bullshit since there are assholes everywhere competing for the ultimate in face value (e.g. the EVIL George W. Bush, Jr.-- look at/into the man's eyes---- he's absolutely EVIL) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
