Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

2000-01-02 Thread Greg Stark
Joshua Chamas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It reoccured to me just now (back from a sessions methods discussion a long > time ago) that these query string cookies might show up in the referer logs > of other sites if you have offsite links on your session id pages. I tried a > workaround just n

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-11 Thread Serge Sozonoff
Hi Joshua, >I read the article, and found it kind of funny that the author >thought that client side JavaScript was a better solution than >Cookies... which do you think get turned off more by end users ? Personally, javascript scares me more then anything else... its flakey and you never kn

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-10 Thread Cliff Rayman
sorry - you peaked my interest so I have to jump the gun a little. are you basing it on unique host names which are resolved by some type of dns delegation? if so, only problem is with SSL pages. the host name has to match the one in the certificate otherwise the browser will give a warning. in

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-10 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Serge" == Serge Sozonoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Serge> Hello, >> It will work fine, but the problem still remains that the >> incoming page URL has the session-id in it, so that when you go >> offsite, the referer header sent by the client has the client's >> session id in it still

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-09 Thread Serge Sozonoff
Hello, >It will work fine, but the problem still remains that the >incoming page URL has the session-id in it, so that when you go >offsite, the referer header sent by the client has the client's >session id in it still, and the unethical webmaster could easily >then access the users sessions

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-09 Thread Joshua Chamas
Serge Sozonoff wrote: > > Hello, > > >It will work fine, but the problem still remains that the > >incoming page URL has the session-id in it, so that when you go > >offsite, the referer header sent by the client has the client's > >session id in it still, and the unethical webmaster could easil

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-08 Thread Joshua Chamas
Remi Fasol wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Joshua Chamas wrote: > > > > > I am going to give ASP developers a session > > option, it should be > > > > > possible to make secure. > > Stas Bekman wrote: > > But if you intercept the redirection, why not to > > strip/modify the > > HTTP_REFER heade

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-08 Thread Eric L. Brine
> how about a call to something like > > evil perl session pirates > > that calls something which strips the referer and > redirects. It won't work because the referer (sic) is set by the client, not by the server. HTTP and HTML provide no way to tell the client to change the referer. Using Ref

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-08 Thread Remi Fasol
> On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Joshua Chamas wrote: > > > > I am going to give ASP developers a session > option, it should be > > > > possible to make secure. Stas Bekman wrote: > But if you intercept the redirection, why not to > strip/modify the > HTTP_REFER header at the server side? how about a cal

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-08 Thread Stas Bekman
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Joshua Chamas wrote: > Bill Desjardins wrote: > > > > > I don't need these non-cookie secure sessions myself, but if > > > I am going to give ASP developers a session option, it should be > > > possible to make secure. > > > > Here is how I solved the problem with redirectin

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-07 Thread Joshua Chamas
Bill Desjardins wrote: > > > I don't need these non-cookie secure sessions myself, but if > > I am going to give ASP developers a session option, it should be > > possible to make secure. > > Here is how I solved the problem with redirecting offsite when I am using > the URI for session tracking

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-07 Thread Bill Desjardins
> Does this really work ? I tried this locally, and it didn't. > The HTTP_REFERER was still sent as from the original page > even though there was an intervening redirect script. > This referer had the original session-id in it. > > So a page like: page.asp?session-id=aasdfdasfdsafadsfadsf >

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-07 Thread Joshua Chamas
Jeffrey Baker wrote: > > Secure sessions are hard work. You need to sit down and evaluate whether or not you >actually need *secure* sessions. If you decide that enough is at stake to really >tighten the screws, then read on. > > The problem of the session ID in HTTP_REFERER is easy to tackl

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-07 Thread Jeffrey Baker
Secure sessions are hard work. You need to sit down and evaluate whether or not you actually need *secure* sessions. If you decide that enough is at stake to really tighten the screws, then read on. The problem of the session ID in HTTP_REFERER is easy to tackle. You just need to rewrite ev

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-07 Thread Joshua Chamas
Matt Sergeant wrote: > > I don't think there's a real option for making it secure. However I think > the prefix (or postfix) method used in the Eagle book is a good one. Simply > change the config to: > > PerlTransHandler Apache::ASP > > and in the handler go: > > sub handler { > my $url_sessi

Re: ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-07 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 07 Dec 1999, Joshua Chamas wrote: > What options are there anyone, for real cookieless sessions, > without this security risk ??? We can't use IP authentication > because of proxies/NAT, maybe an SSL cert, but not everyone has > this, the UserAgent is not stratified enough to mean much,

ASP Cookieless Sessions (WAS Re: Apache::ASP)

1999-12-07 Thread Joshua Chamas
Serge Sozonoff wrote: > > Hi Joshua, > > I was wondering if you could give us a little update on the status of > Sessions w/o cookies for Apache::ASP? > > Have you started coding it already or is it at the bottom > of a big list of things to do? > > Many Thanks, > > Serge > I have been work