Re: Guidance on the implications of the Lyon Amendment

2024-07-25 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 9:45 PM Todd Rinaldo wrote: > *From: *Leon Timmermans > *Date: *Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 2:31 PM > *To: *Todd Rinaldo > *Cc: *Philippe Bruhat (BooK) , Russ Allbery < > ea...@eyrie.org>, module-authors@perl.org > *Subject: *Re: Guidance on

Re: Guidance on the implications of the Lyon Amendment

2024-07-25 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 8:24 PM Todd Rinaldo wrote: > I continue to wonder if there’s value in setting this up. Who needs 5.6 or > 5.8, etc. so desperately that we need to maintain this stream? How do we > know when they don’t need it? > Module::Build::Tiny hasn't been installable on a clean 5.8

Re: Guidance on the implications of the Lyon Amendment

2024-07-25 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 2:49 AM Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 07:30:59PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > Some of it makes me wonder if I misunderstood the previous discussions > and > > the implications of the Lyon Amendment for the usability of CPAN tools > and > > f

Re: Guidance on the implications of the Lyon Amendment

2024-07-16 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 4:31 AM Russ Allbery wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've started a few conversations in the past year about pushing forward > the minimum Perl version of podlators, which is a "way upstream" package > with lots of transitive dependencies. In the v6.0.0 release, I pushed the > min

Re: Enabling all MY methods of the same name in multiple modules

2021-07-16 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 8:57 AM David Christensen wrote: > module-authors: > > I have extended EUMM in a Perl distribution by implementing a module > that overrides various methods in the "MY" package namespace and by > using that MY override module in Makefile.PL, per "Overriding MakeMaker > Met

Re: How to do co-maintenance on CPAN distro which uses Dist::Zilla(Travis and other questions)

2020-01-25 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 3:39 AM James E Keenan wrote: > I managed to get an Appveyor configuration, but the build stopped when > it couldn't locate a prereq needed only on Windows. I decided to defer > all work on Windows (which I don't have access to) until a later date. > > > 3. Assume that I

Re: Perl Modules in GitHub

2016-03-29 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > I maintain server Perl modules on CPAN: > http://search.cpan.org/~jdhedden/ Some of the modules are part of the > core Perl distribution; some are my own. I want to add them to GitHub. Is > there preferred organization, account, methodo

Re: Is META.yml Necessary Anymore?

2015-10-26 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:26 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:16:02AM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: > > > If it's not a requirement, then people are going to get sloppy with it, > > meaning sometimes it will break other people's code. > > Supporting everything for ever is a re

Re: Is META.yml Necessary Anymore?

2015-10-25 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Dominique Dumont wrote: > Le samedi 10 octobre 2015, 15:45:38 15:45:38 Leon Timmermans a écrit : > > Also I think some packagers may be using it. > > Debian uses the information from META to create and refresh Perl package in > Debia

Re: Is META.yml Necessary Anymore?

2015-10-10 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > Hi John, > > * John M Gamble [2015-10-06 20:25]: > > What with META.json being generated (and presumably used) in our CPAN > > uploads, is it necessary to include META.yml anymore? A brief search > > didn't really tell me anything. > >

Re: autodie was not installed on http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report/6109ee1e-63a7-11e5-80f8-24112cde3c15

2015-09-30 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi, Leon! > > On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:28:20 +0200 > Leon Timmermans wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Shlomi Fish > > wrote: > > > > > On > > > > http://www.cpantester

Re: Fw: autodie was not installed on http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report/6109ee1e-63a7-11e5-80f8-24112cde3c15

2015-09-26 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On > http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report/6109ee1e-63a7-11e5-80f8-24112cde3c15 > - there's a missing "autodie" despite the fact that it properly appears in > the > test_requires in Build.PL and in build_requires in the META.yml. Please > in

Re: Curating old dists on CPAN

2015-04-30 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Neil Bowers wrote: > I think we should either remove very old dists from CPAN, or update them > to follow modern conventions (so they have a META.yml or META.json, for > example). I had email with the author of CGI::Response (last released in > 1995) for example,

Re: =head1 SEEN ALSO BY

2015-04-05 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Paul "LeoNerd" Evans < leon...@leonerd.org.uk> wrote: > Random musings from #perl on Freenode: > > If I write a base module that's intended for expansion/extension (such > as Tickit), and then write lots and lots of extensions (see: the entire > Tickit::Widget:: na

Re: Test failing on Windows but not elsewhere

2015-03-09 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:44 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > This weekend I gave my CPAN library CPAN-Mini-Visit-Simple an overhaul, a > large part of which was guaranteeing that CPAN Testers handled the absence > of a minicpan gracefully. As a result, for the first time I'm getting lots > of green

Re: How avert warning re MYMETA.* ?

2015-02-13 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:17 AM, James E Keenan wrote: > When I am working on an update to a CPAN distribution, I say "make clean", > then create the Makefile in the customary way -- but I get a warning about > files missing from my "kit". > > # > $ perl Makefile.PL > Checking if your kit is

Re: name for a Module to build XS with Visual C on a core Mingw GCCPerl

2015-01-15 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:11 PM, bulk88 wrote: > Module::Build tests for and forbids overriding Config (related report > http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=987651 ), Module::Build probably has better support for overriding Config than MakeMaker, it's just opinionated on how you should do that. > so

Re: Best way to communicate changing the output of a module

2013-12-23 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Shmuel Fomberg wrote: > Hi Stephen. > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Stephen Patterson wrote: > > >> I'm the maintainer of Finance::Bank::CooperativeUKPersonal, a module for >> downloading UK bank statements. Part of the output from this module is a >> stateme

Re: Unclear as to problem: Tried to register 'Types', but says can't due to unrelated module.

2013-11-13 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Linda W wrote: > On 2013-11-13 07:30, David Cantrell wrote: > >> Ah-- NetIcal1.11 doesn't have it.. but if I try >> >> > Types by itself, it downloads Netical 1.15 > > The indexing system is broken, IMO... > > I see Types: > cp lib/Net/ICal/Parser.pm blib/lib/Ne

Re: (FYI)...Module naming collision Or mirage?

2013-11-12 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Linda A. Walsh wrote: > I've seen double listings (look at 'P', there's a really old listing for >> someone >> else who has a reference to P in their directory, but not as a module. >> > > Have a try at uploading your Math::Simple if you like. It may succeed and >

Re: Problem brewing w/tar?

2013-11-12 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Linda A. Walsh wrote: > Too bad Archive::Tar isn't up-to-date with a 10+year old standard. > http://xkcd.com/927/ Leon

Re: How to specify a pre-req?

2013-11-07 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Linda W wrote: > I am trying to specify a pre-req that needs to be present for > my module to work. > > I have it under the PREREQ_PM section next in my Makefile.PL > as well as under the BUILD_REQUIRES section. > > I'm not sure I specified the version correctly --

Re: Name for an A/B testing module?

2013-09-29 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Ovid wrote: > I've written an A/B testing module for Perl, but I suspect the name > Test::AB will annoy people since people expect modules in the Test:: > namespace to be about traditional testing tools (exporting test functions > or providing a test framework in

Re: Conditional installation of XS (or graceful fallback)

2013-09-20 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:20 AM, David Oswald wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Lars Dɪᴇᴄᴋᴏᴡ 迪拉斯 wrote: > >> how to cause an install of > >> List::BinarySearch to attempt to download and install > >> List::BinarySearch::XS (a separate distribution) > > Include the prerequisite conditiona

Re: cpan as generic installer? + Re: module for finding all git repos under a path

2013-09-19 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Matthew Astley wrote: > Now I have another script to add to my grubby collection, which I cast > as a modulino. It should probably go in CPAN. Maybe I should fatpack > it into git-yacontrib? It languishes on a private branch. > I don't see why you would want

Re: Alien::XXX needs something more

2013-08-08 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > Yeah, that’ll work great until the moment someone supports three OSes. > Or supports all OSes except a specific one. (Alien::NotVMS::FooBar?) Or only recent versions of an OS… Leon

Re: Alien::XXX needs something more

2013-08-07 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Paul LeoNerd wrote: > Having a look more in detail at why, though, is revealing: > > For example: > > http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report/754b7df1-6c93-1014-b350-ae488c0ce015 > > gives: > > > # running Build.PL > 'make' is not recognized as an internal or e

Re: META.yml/json and requiring itself for testing (CPAN.pm, Dist::Zilla)

2013-06-09 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Serguei Trouchelle wrote: > I was tried to install my own module (Dist::Zilla-based, more than a year > old) on brand new 5.18.0 with all recent modules. CPAN shell (CPAN.pm 2.0) > refused to build it, complaining about circular dependency. The problem is, > it's se

Re: Dist::Zilla version handling

2013-02-24 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ovid wrote: > How do I assert the Perl version I want with Dist::Zilla? I can't find it in > http://dzil.org/tutorial/ and when I tried the MinimumPerl plugin, it said > my minimum version is 5.12 when I believe it to be 5.10.0. perlver --blame $filename will tell

Re: Unauthorizated release

2013-01-26 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Xavier wrote: > I've upload development version of LemonLDAP::NG libraries, but they are > displayed as unauthorizated release even if modules are registered by me. > Any idea ? As can be seen at https://pause.perl.org/pause/authenquery?pause99_peek_perms_by=ml&pa

Re: DB_File is not installed?

2012-11-22 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Shmuel Fomberg wrote: > Hi All. > > I've released a module, Dist::Surveyor v0.007, and seeing reports from CPAN > testers that DB_File doesn't exists. > DB_File is not listed in the deps, because, well, it is core. > > http://www.cpantesters.org/distro/D/Dist-Surve

Re: Suppressing excess indexing

2012-09-19 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Leon Timmermans wrote: > If you really want to, you can disable it by inserting a newline > between the package keyword and the name. However, I'm not really > seeing the point of pretending your distribution is one package when > it in fact isn&

Re: Suppressing excess indexing

2012-09-19 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > I have a distribution (Audio::TagLib, FWIW) that has a large number of > modules, but only the main module is of any interest to the index. What > do I need to do in the construction of the release to tell indexing not > to bother? If you r

Re: RFC: the Author:: namespace

2012-09-08 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, sawyer x wrote: > No, I can't. Acme:: is people sharing jokes, which in most cases aren't > supposed to be "useful", they're JOKES. Author::PAUSEID, > Task::BeLike::PAUSEID and Dist::Zilla::PluginBundle::PAUSEID are by people > *not* sharing *anything* with *anyone*

Re: RFC: the Author:: namespace

2012-09-07 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, sawyer x wrote: > I don't understand why people upload things to CPAN that are specifically > exclusively without-a-doubt on-purpose just for them? > > People always say "hey, if it's useful for even one person, it should be out > there", but these are things that

Re: Broken compilers, ignore or ???

2012-09-05 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Martin J. Evans wrote: > Thanks, I did not know that. Klortho #11907 ;-)

Re: Broken compilers, ignore or ???

2012-09-04 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Martin J. Evans wrote: > I recently received an rt (https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=79190) > saying some code in DBD::ODBC was wrong and a patch to fix it. The code was: > >while (*cp != '\0') { > *cp++ = toupper(*cp); >} > > and the fix (wh

Re: How do I arrange for Makefile.PL to create a modulino instance script?

2012-08-31 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:29 PM, David Christensen wrote: > module-authors: > > I am working on a modulino [1] and would like to use ExtUtils::MakeMaker to > generate a Makefile such that "make" (or "make all") copies the module file > (lib/MyModulino.pm) to a script file (perl-bin/mymodulino.pl)

Re: MIN_PERL_VErSION

2012-08-05 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > So, what am I doing wrong? > > FWIW, the problem that gives rise to this question > > g++ ... TagLib.c > In file included from /usr/include/c++/4.2/bits/basic_ios.h:44, > from /usr/include/c++/4.2/ios:50, > f

Re: sudo in Const::Fast

2012-07-19 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Shawn H Corey wrote: > I tried installing Const::Fast and it runs sudo. Why is such a blatant > security risk in a CPAN module? And are there more? Like others have already said, I'm not using sudo in Const::Fast. It has a very boring and default installer. If you

Re: Seeking advice on module name: Config::CPP?

2012-03-23 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:49 PM, David Oswald wrote: > I maintain Inline::CPP.  Currently that module's Makefile.PL jumps > through a bunch of hoops to detect the C++ compiler most compatible > with the C compiler that built perl, and to detect what default C++ > libraries should be linked in whe

Re: The module authors pledge

2011-11-10 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Lars Dɪᴇᴄᴋᴏᴡ 迪拉斯 wrote: > Metadata can already be attached to distributions in an extensible > fashion. It's really about the code, not the author/maintainer - one > can have different opinions on/policies for different distros. True, though most of the time that

Re: The module authors pledge

2011-11-10 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Neil Bowers wrote: > One of the problems I see with CPAN is that there are many modules > which have been left unattended. Many of these have outstanding bugs, > and a good number have patches and forked versions, some of which you can > find on RT. You'll also find

Re: How to break apart a large distribution?

2011-10-18 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Fields, Christopher J wrote: > The BioPerl core developers (including myself) have decided to work on > breaking up the huge code base into separate distributions on CPAN, using > dependencies to install only the needed modules (something WAY overdue).  I > noti

Re: Math::BigInt inheritance problems

2011-10-09 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: > Ah, but an IP address *is* really a number. An unsigned 128-bit integer, in > fact, with some additional properties that are specific to the semantics of > IP addresses themselves. Do you really want your end users to think of IP addresses as

Re: Math::BigInt inheritance problems

2011-10-09 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > I know this isn't the best place to ask for help with specific coding help, > but I'm bumping up against what appears to be the edges of Perl normality > here, and I figure there's gotta be at least one person reading this who is >

Re: Module::Build::Tiny

2011-08-30 Thread Leon Timmermans
> If you're using Dist::Zilla, you *should* not need anything besides > META.json to install a simple module if you just set dynamic_config=0. > (This "should" is, of course, largely unimplemented.) I hope a lot of Module::Built::Tiny will end up getting reused for that purpose. > Overall, it loo

Re: Module::Build::Tiny

2011-08-29 Thread Leon Timmermans
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > I find this module intriguing. I'm happy to hear that :-) > In my understanding, the complexity of Module::Build piled up > because the same tool tries to cover both installation and > authoring use cases. There are many things that