Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread William Lahti
Aye, I'm on the list now. Just have to set up a label for it. I'll post code and more info about Jeto on a new page in the wiki so it can be considered. This project looks like some fun. On 10/31/06, Brian Crowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Lahti wrote: > > I have expressed support for t

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Crowell
William Lahti wrote: > I have expressed support for the managed kernel idea because I am > already in the process of building a managed operating system. I call > it Jeto. Currently it consists of... That figures. We've already drafted budgets and purchased an office. Kidding, kidding. Sort of. M

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread William Lahti
Related to Microsoft's C# and .NET trademarks: I have been referring to .NET as the Common Language Infrastructure, but C#... well C# is really it's name. Would it be better to call it ECMA-335 :)? ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.x

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread William Lahti
Aww, I let the thread go for a bit and it's packed! I have expressed support for the managed kernel idea because I am already in the process of building a managed operating system. I call it Jeto. Currently it consists of... - A GNU/Linux distribution with a new filesystem layout - A foundation li

[Mono-dev] SharpOS.org

2006-10-30 Thread Michael Schurter
Since the idea of a managed operating system has been discussed at length on the mono-devel-list, I went ahead and registered sharpos.org! I encourage anyone interested in developing a managed operating system to visit http://sharpos.org Please start editing the wiki and sign up for the mailing

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Crowell
Johann MacDonagh wrote: > SF doesn't offer a Wiki do they? For the initial brainstorming of this > project, a wiki would work great. If I'm reading the Sourceforge docs right, you should be able to install a PHP-based wiki (such as MediaWiki) without too much trouble: http://sourceforge.net/doc

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Crowell
Johann MacDonagh wrote: > I did a little research and it looks like it is possible to install > MediaWiki, although it can be painful at times. You could go the Google Project Hosting route. They offer Subversion hosting and their own (primitive) issue tracking service: http://code.google.com

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
I did a little research and it looks like it is possible to install MediaWiki, although it can be painful at times. Anyway, Michael Schurter contacted me and said that he has some space on his hosting account. He is going to register www.sharpos.org and set up MediaWiki. We can better communicate

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
True. But there are projects such as SharpDevelop who haven't been harrassed yet. SF doesn't offer a Wiki do they? For the initial brainstorming of this project, a wiki would work great. Victor Costan wrote: > > Two issues come to mind: > > 1) C# and J# are registered by Microsoft. Let's make

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Victor Costan
Two issues come to mind: 1) C# and J# are registered by Microsoft. Let's make sure the # can't cause trouble :) 2) You don't know if this'll work or tank, so I suggest using sf.net, and getting free project hosting from them, at least for a while. Either way, please let us know how this is going

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Mauricio Henriquez
...try from here: http://mhenriquez.no-ip.com/descargas/ but please move the kernel.rar file to other place when you can access, is a very unestable server...sorry ...at least is an object oriented kernel emulator. Mauricio Brian Crowell wrote: > Mauricio Henriquez wrote: > >> all that I men

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Crowell
Johann MacDonagh wrote: > Actually if it's all the same, I'd like to keep this operating system > separate from the Unix mentality. That's not to say we wouldn't borrow some > of Unix's ways of doing things, but there are certain things that would need > to be changed. There are lots of things to

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
So does anyone have any problems with calling this project SharpOS? If not, I'll register www.sharpos.org right now and set up a wiki. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A--Mono-devel-list--Operating-System-in-C--Project-tf2349909.html#a7087087 Sent from the Mono - Dev ma

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Crowell
Mauricio Henriquez wrote: > all that I mention is in C#, please keep in mind that is a "probe of > concepts" test code, is not a serious effor as the proposed in this > thread, I love to work on this proyect, I know about assembler on > windows, linux and a little IL, I also know a lote of OSs b

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Victor Costan
I would like to conjecture that a good MSIL -> native compiler work make the C# memory management code execute at the same speed as compiled C code. After all, C code gets converted to an intermediate language too, as part of the compilation. Both methods express the same computations, so it should

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Victor Costan
Hi, Mauricio and Brian! To everyone else -- I'm sending this to the entire list so that people that might be interested in see there's more interest. I'm interested in the managed OS idea. I've written some thoughts about this some time ago, just search for my thoughts through the archive. Mauric

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Mauricio Henriquez
...tell me if you have problems with the rar attached files... Mauricio Henriquez wrote: > all that I mention is in C#, please keep in mind that is a "probe of > concepts" test code, is not a serious effor as the proposed in this > thread, I love to work on this proyect, I know about assembler o

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
I would love to see what you have accomplished so far. What portion of what you mentioned is in C#? Mauricio Henriquez wrote: > > sorry, what is the main idea??, develop a operating system in C#, sorry > I lost the first post. > If that is the case, I have a prototype OS in C# (for educational

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
Michael Schurter wrote: > > Brian Crowell wrote: >> jmacdonagh wrote: >>> Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in ths. I've also toyed >>> around with this idea for some time. I began looking at traditional >>> operating system development to learn a little more. >> >> What interests me

[Mono-dev] [PATCH] System.Net - WebExceptionStatus.cs support added.

2006-10-30 Thread Jensen Somers
Patch number 2. Added support for CacheEntryNotFound, RequestProhibitedByCachePolicy and RequestProhibitedByProxy in the WebExceptionStatus.cs enum in the System.Net namespace. Regards, Jensen Index: ChangeLog === --- ChangeLog (re

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Mauricio Henriquez
sorry, what is the main idea??, develop a operating system in C#, sorry I lost the first post. If that is the case, I have a prototype OS in C# (for educational pospuses only), offcourse is very, very, very basic, for the moment only open one or more "proto-assembler" files (like compiled progra

Re: [Mono-dev] [PATCH] System.Net FtpStatusCode.cs typo corrections

2006-10-30 Thread Leszek Ciesielski
I'd vote for the first one, if mono compiles correctly with it. If not, you'd have to patch also the places where it was used. On 10/30/06, Jensen Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I noticed some typo's in the FtpStatusCode enum in the System.Net namespace. > The word "available" is miss spelled

[Mono-dev] [PATCH] System.Net FtpStatusCode.cs typo corrections

2006-10-30 Thread Jensen Somers
I noticed some typo's in the FtpStatusCode enum in the System.Net namespace. The word "available" is miss spelled as "avalaible". I created two patches to fix this issue. The first removes the miss spelled words and adds the correct spelling, the second patch only adds the correct spelled words bu

Re: [Mono-dev] [PATCH] SearchOption.AllDirectories and NameValueCollection.Properties

2006-10-30 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello, > The attached patch implements > > 1) DirectoryInfo.GetDirectories with SearchOption.AllDirectories > > 2) NameValueConfigurationCollection.Properties > this facilitates implementation of WWF configuration properties like: > http://windowssdk.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.workf

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Michael Schurter
Brian Crowell wrote: > jmacdonagh wrote: >> Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in ths. I've also toyed >> around with this idea for some time. I began looking at traditional >> operating system development to learn a little more. > > What interests me most about this is a C# program as a

Re: [Mono-dev] Trying to compile System.Xml.dll with MD

2006-10-30 Thread Atsushi Eno
With MD, the only way you can really build mcs classes is to open Makefile in MD. .csproj is obviously unused one. Just removed. Atsushi Eno Andrés G. Aragoneses [ knocte ] wrote: > I get: > > [mcs/class/System.XML/System.Xml.XPath/Tokenizer.cs, Line=51, Column=29, > Type=Error, Description=The

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
Levi Bard wrote: > >> Meaning, what language or runtime environment would my >> operating system consider first-class. I could choose C/C++, but that >> locks >> people into a language. Instead, I could choose IL, which can be >> generated >> by any number of languages. > > This one's a pretty

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
Brian Crowell wrote: > > What interests me most about this is a C# program as a first-class > citizen, or really, every API in the system being not only available, but > *designed for* managed programs. > Right. I dislike how current mainstream operating systems regard executables as "just ano

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Crowell
jmacdonagh wrote: > Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in ths. I've also toyed around > with this idea for some time. I began looking at traditional operating > system development to learn a little more. What interests me most about this is a C# program as a first-class citizen, or reall

[Mono-dev] Trying to compile System.Xml.dll with MD

2006-10-30 Thread Andrés G. Aragoneses [ knocte ]
I get: [mcs/class/System.XML/System.Xml.XPath/Tokenizer.cs, Line=51, Column=29, Type=Error, Description=The type or namespace name `yyParser' could not be found. Are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?(CS0246) Any hints on how I can compile this? Thanks in advance, A

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Levi Bard
> Meaning, what language or runtime environment would my > operating system consider first-class. I could choose C/C++, but that locks > people into a language. Instead, I could choose IL, which can be generated > by any number of languages. This one's a pretty empty point. You wouldn't actually

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Martin Hinks
I suppose the overhead shouldn't be enormous on unsafe ops - except that the runtime is still consuming background resources and, as you say, startup times are increased. On 10/30/06, Johann MacDonagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Although there is a lot of overhead to start up a managed executa

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Johann MacDonagh
Although there is a lot of overhead to start up a managed executable, I'm sure unsafe pointer operations are just as fast as their C counterparts. Martin Hinks wrote: > > It is indeed a very interesting concept > > Surely the main limiting factor will be that the runtime is never > going t

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread Martin Hinks
It is indeed a very interesting concept Surely the main limiting factor will be that the runtime is never going to be as fast as unmanaged C for low level tasks such as file/memory management... Martin On 10/30/06, jmacdonagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Glad to see I'm not the only one in

Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-devel-list] Operating System in C# Project

2006-10-30 Thread jmacdonagh
Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in ths. I've also toyed around with this idea for some time. I began looking at traditional operating system development to learn a little more. I envision an operating system where applications and shared libraries are first-class citizens. Meaning, th

Re: [Mono-dev] Compiling Mono on 64 bit ppc SLES 9

2006-10-30 Thread Vorobiev Maksim
IBM has offering for free remote access to Power5 hardware: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-openpower1/index. html So, this seems to be a solution for hardware access problem. The need for spare time is still here. :( I hope, this message does not breaks maillist rules, bu

Re: [Mono-dev] Compiling Mono on 64 bit ppc SLES 9

2006-10-30 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 10/26/06 Krishna Ganugapati wrote: > I'm trying to compile Mono on 64 bit ppc SLES9 - I can build glib2, > libgdiplus, but when I configure mono, I get the following error > > checking if inter-process shared handles are requested... yes > > configure: error: No JIT or interpreter support avai

Re: [Mono-dev] [PATCH] Optimize Encoding.GetByteCount

2006-10-30 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 10/26/06 Atsushi Eno wrote: > Well, the point of the Ben's question is, compacting GC is likely to > store array in nursery area (likely, since it could be regarded too > big to store in nursery area), so nursery allocation and releasing > might become faster than fixing string pointer which mig

[Mono-dev] [PATCH] SearchOption.AllDirectories and NameValueCollection.Properties

2006-10-30 Thread joel reed
The attached patch implements 1) DirectoryInfo.GetDirectories with SearchOption.AllDirectories 2) NameValueConfigurationCollection.Properties this facilitates implementation of WWF configuration properties like: http://windowssdk.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.workflow.runtime.configura

Re: [Mono-dev] VBNC uses too much CPU and RAM on Mono

2006-10-30 Thread Rolf Bjarne Kvinge
Hello, Are you using latest svn for vbnc? A few optimization was committed this week so it should be faster. If it is running out of memory though I think there might some other problem optimizations won't resolve. Rolf On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:21:07 +0100, Kornél Pál <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote