Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-03-01 Thread Ian Norton
I really do hope that x studio is just really the new name of the 3.1 monodevelop. I hear all of what you say in that the mono community seems quite separate from much that you see on the go-mono.com pages, I wonder if we should start a 'mono planet' sort of thing to join things up and to keep

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-03-01 Thread edward . harvey . mono
-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern Hello Dimitar, That is, the name Mono is now completely phased out of the Xamarin product line. At the Xamarin Studio page http://xamarin.com/studio , MonoDevelop, upon which the Studio is based, is not mentioned once! Are you ashamed of MonoDevelop after you've been

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-03-01 Thread Jonathan Pryor
On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:09 PM, edward.harvey.mono edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: Still, how to pronounce it? Samarin? Zamarin? Ex-amarin? The X is pronounced as a Z, so more like Zamarin (just like Xylophone). - Jon ___ Mono-list

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-25 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello Dimitar, That is, the name Mono is now completely phased out of the Xamarin product line. At the Xamarin Studio page http://xamarin.com/studio , MonoDevelop, upon which the Studio is based, is not mentioned once! Are you ashamed of MonoDevelop after you've been offering it to

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-25 Thread Dimitar Dobrev
Miguel, Thank you for your reply. This is the kind of answer I was hoping for. I think you were right to like Mono in the names, as I do now. But I've already made my point on that, no need to dig further. Thanks about your clarifications on MonoMac and the MonoSpace conference. There really were

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-24 Thread Stifu
Well, in Xamarin team's defense, I have to say MonoTouch and Mono for Android were not very clear or consistent names. Dropping the Mono name is a bit sad, but I hope it'll succeed. Doug wrote I don't really see it as a big issue; companies rebrand all the time. The mono 'brand' is

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-24 Thread Dimitar Dobrev
Doug, Companies do rebrand but as I've outlined, in this case rebranding doesn't make sense. The reasons it doesn't make sense have to do with your negative associations. Discarded by Linux - for years Ubuntu, the most popular Linux distribution, had had Mono applications (and of

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-24 Thread Stifu
As I said, not clear *or* not consistent, depending on the name. MonoTouch is not clear. There are many touch devices, you can't guess it's for iOS from its name. Mono for Android *is* clear, but not consistent (with the MonoTouch name). MonoDroid was more consistent (Mono+short name, no space or

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-24 Thread Robert Jordan
Dimitar, On 24.02.2013 15:23, Dimitar Dobrev wrote: Furthermore, even if I hadn't argued about these negative associations what about the positive ones? That because of Mono, developers can run their both existing and new code on Linux, OS X, iOS, Android? You do realise that changing a

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-24 Thread Andres G. Aragoneses
To expand on the good reply from Robert: Unity3D is a propietary product that uses Mono under the hood but doesn't mention it in the name either, should we be angry with them too? And if not, why then requiring Xamarin what others have not respected? Also, this is a mailing list about an

[Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-23 Thread Dimitar Dobrev
Hello, all, I guess most of you see the announcement of Xamarin 2.0 as good news. However, I cannot help but feel the opposite. Let me tell you why: 1. At the Xamarin 2.0 FAQ http://xamarin.com/xamarin-2.0-faq it says: Our new product brands are: Xamarin.iOS (replaces MonoTouch)

Re: [Mono-list] Xamarin 2.0 concern

2013-02-23 Thread Doug
I don't really see it as a big issue; companies rebrand all the time. The mono 'brand' is encumbered by a bunch of negative associations, largely to do with it being abandoned by novell, discarded by linux, a second class citizen to the 'official' windows C# runtime. Abandoning the name to try