[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-09 Thread Mathieu Fenniak
On 9-Dec-04, at 12:09 AM, Gavin Lambert wrote: That was fixed (in the patch, not necesarily on particular servers) fairly quickly though -- at least if you're talking about the same hole that I reported. It wouldn't have been much of a problem except that some of the core security code wasn't a

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-08 Thread Gavin Lambert
At 12:15 7/12/2004 +, Neil Fraser wrote: > >Be careful with WAIFs. They constitute a severe and virtually >unfixable security risk when used on an existing DB. Legacy code >is not accustomed to dealing with this value type. > >It took me half an hour to hack a wizbit on Moo Canada when WAIF

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-07 Thread Sean Davis
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 02:13:07PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 3:29 PM -0800 12/6/04, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >Daniel Jung wrote: > >> > >>We are about to release a new enCore version soon. It will be > >>unicode, so we converted the database/server to unicode as well. > > > >How about thi

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-07 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 3:29 PM -0800 12/6/04, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Daniel Jung wrote: We are about to release a new enCore version soon. It will be unicode, so we converted the database/server to unicode as well. How about this for a strawman: would anyone on this list object to calling LukeJr's GammaMOO "LambdaMOO 2

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-07 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 10:34 AM + 12/7/04, Neil Fraser wrote: Garance A Drosihn wrote: One thing I'd like to put into our snapshot of MOO are the changes for 'waifs', that Ben had done. Be careful with WAIFs. They constitute a severe and virtually unfixable security risk when used on an existing DB. Legacy code

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-07 Thread Neil Fraser
Garance A Drosihn wrote: One thing I'd like to put into our snapshot of MOO are the changes for 'waifs', that Ben had done. Be careful with WAIFs. They constitute a severe and virtually unfixable security risk when used on an existing DB. Legacy code is not accustomed to dealing with this value

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Sean Davis
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:06:22AM +0800, Ender wrote: > As far as all this goes, I have a few suggestions. > > First, no offence to Luke-Jr, but I've ran into a lot of compilation > glitches with GammaMoo and its code-quality isn't all that great. I'd > suggest either starting from the current La

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Ender
As far as all this goes, I have a few suggestions. First, no offence to Luke-Jr, but I've ran into a lot of compilation glitches with GammaMoo and its code-quality isn't all that great. I'd suggest either starting from the current Lambda CVS and merging third-party patches for a 2.0 release or tak

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Quinn
H. Peter Anvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mon 06-Dec-2004 16:26:45: > I'm considering whether to volunteer to try to put something like a > new LM release together, if GammaMOO doesn't cut it (perhaps it's a > bit too aggressive to be stable, and we need a more conservative > mainstream.) I like MOO, an

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Garance A Drosihn wrote: Some friends and I use lambdaMOO for a chat-server that we run. One of those friends tried to move our code over to gammaMOO, because he was interested in switching the chat server to support unicode. But he ran into some problems with it, and eventually gave up on it. I

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Andrew Wendt
On Monday 06 December 2004 16:05, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > Or nothing? I bet this behaviour could be emulated completely with > > #0:do_command and force_input(). > > The entire server parser probably could be. There are a whole lot of > legacy warts in the MOO system, and this is one of them. I

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 3:29 PM -0800 12/6/04, H. Peter Anvin wrote: How about this for a strawman: would anyone on this list object to calling LukeJr's GammaMOO "LambdaMOO 2.0", assuming a) LukeJr was willing to do that, b) LukeJr was willing to put it into the public CVS tree on SourceForge (or elsewhere). Other peo

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Andrew Wendt wrote: Probably should just be a server object control property. Or nothing? I bet this behaviour could be emulated completely with #0:do_command and force_input(). The entire server parser probably could be. There are a whole lot of legacy warts in the MOO system, and this is one

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Andrew Wendt
On Monday 06 December 2004 15:55, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Dr Robert Sanderson wrote: > > Minor enhancement request: > > * Remove the auto-aliases for " : ; into a simple configuration file. > > (Eg to allow for ' " -> say ; : -> emote | -> eval) > > Probably should just be a server object control

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Dr Robert Sanderson
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Dr Robert Sanderson wrote: Minor enhancement request: * Remove the auto-aliases for " : ; into a simple configuration file. (Eg to allow for ' " -> say ; : -> emote | -> eval) Probably should just be a server object control property. Agreed, in retrospect

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Dr Robert Sanderson wrote: Minor enhancement request: * Remove the auto-aliases for " : ; into a simple configuration file. (Eg to allow for ' " -> say ; : -> emote | -> eval) Probably should just be a server object control property. -hpa ###

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread Dr Robert Sanderson
There are still another few things I could wish we could incorporate into a possible new lamdaMOO release. I wonder if we could compute a list of changes that have been done in the various versions, and then possibly merge them into one? A 2.0 release goal would be mega cool. Please keep this l

[MOO-Cows] Re: forked moo servers

2004-12-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Daniel Jung wrote: We are about to release a new enCore version soon. It will be unicode, so we converted the database/server to unicode as well. We wonder if we should bundle the thing with the new enCore release, well aware of the drawbacks of such a forking; so we still _wonder_. There are s