Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-18 Thread Andrea Dessì
var test = (dev list == a place where developers write and answer to u) // test -> true ;) Andrea Dessì On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 01:45, Ryan Florence wrote: > Welcome to the dev list. > > On Sep 17, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Aaron Newton wrote: > > sometimes I am unwillingly insulting Aaron because I

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Ryan Florence
Welcome to the dev list. On Sep 17, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Aaron Newton wrote: > sometimes I am unwillingly insulting Aaron because I use the > wrong words - but in the end, language is the least of our problems. > > Christoph, for the last time, calling me a "troglodytic bastard" is not > exactly a

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Aaron Newton
> > sometimes I am unwillingly insulting Aaron because I use the > wrong words - but in the end, language is the least of our problems. > Christoph, for the last time, calling me a "troglodytic bastard" is not exactly a case of poor translation... /kidding

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Christoph Pojer
Haha, good one Aaron, I should add that to my invites too. Aaron's list is a pretty good summary what you can do to get involved. We want users to start getting active themselves. This is the only way open source can work. If someone starts to contribute to MooTools, it won't take long until we re

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Aaron Newton
Keep in mind that the devs are the most active people on the user list. Anyone looking for us doesn't have to try too hard. > It's though possible that my assumptions about dev list content are > incorrect and all that I say here doesn't make sense (is it really as > "... difficult"? ;) > Here's

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Mikhail Korobov
First, thanks to all for patience ;) On 17 сен, 17:27, Slik Jay wrote: > This is not developers problem, this is user's problem. > If user interested in mootools development, he can join #mootools IRC > chanel on irc.freenode.net, he can follow mootools developers on > github (user doesn't know m

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Aaron Newton
To my knowledge we never have asked anyone to leave. I realize you were joking, but it might not have come across that way as sarcasm often fails to in text... On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian < rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Aaron Newton

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Rajeev J Sebastian
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Aaron Newton wrote: >> Also note that, unlike -users list, dev list and IRC channel can be a >> bit ... difficult. > > Hah. an understatement! > We're pretty quick to invite people to the dev list. The barrier to getting > that invite is generally the following: >

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Aaron Newton
To clarify: the list below is an OR list not an AND list. You just have to do one of those things, not all of them. > We're pretty quick to invite people to the dev list. The barrier to getting > that invite is generally the following: > >- you write a few blog posts that are about mootools >

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Andrea Dessì
I'd like to say my opinion. We have to admit what Aaron is saying is understandable, and we all can accept it. :) I agree. Andrea On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 18:22, Aaron Newton wrote: > Also note that, unlike -users list, dev list and IRC channel can be a >> bit ... difficult. >> > > Hah. an un

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Aaron Newton
> > Also note that, unlike -users list, dev list and IRC channel can be a > bit ... difficult. > Hah. an understatement! We're pretty quick to invite people to the dev list. The barrier to getting that invite is generally the following: - you write a few blog posts that are about mootools

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Rajeev J Sebastian
2010/9/17 Mikhail Korobov : > I'm a mootools user for several years (since 1.2 release) and only now > I realized that there is a private dev list. I wasn't able to ask an > invite because I wasn't aware this list exists. So there is no entry > point for average developer. What average developer wo

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Slik Jay
> I'm a mootools user for several years (since 1.2 release) and only now > I realized that there is a private dev list. I wasn't able to ask an > invite because I wasn't aware this list exists. So there is no entry > point for average developer. What average developer would do if he > want to know

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Mikhail Korobov
I'm a mootools user for several years (since 1.2 release) and only now I realized that there is a private dev list. I wasn't able to ask an invite because I wasn't aware this list exists. So there is no entry point for average developer. What average developer would do if he want to know what is ha

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Christoph Pojer
The idea is to get in touch with one of the devs on IRC or GTalk. Communication is key, it is the easiest and best way to get involved. Feel free to add me http://cpojer.net On Sep 17, 11:24 am, Rolf -nl wrote: > Right... this simple question started a nice conversation ;) I think > there's somet

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-17 Thread Rolf -nl
Right... this simple question started a nice conversation ;) I think there's something to be said about both views*. Though as it seems to "work" at this moment, best would be to stay this way. Maybe the dev list people can keep a short changelog up-to-date with decisions made which is read only (a

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-16 Thread Aaron Newton
Part of it is that we are gunshy from the original mootools forums. Back in 2006, when MooTools first launched, there was an open forum on MooTools.net that was quickly populated by people who wanted to use the framework and discuss it. These were lovely times; everyone there had open, productive d

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-16 Thread Mikhail Korobov
I'll continue my offtopic :) Let's take 'django-developers' list for example. It is public and have 5898 (!) subscribers. This is where all discussions about how to improve django lives. Only a small part of these thousands of subscribers actually discuss something. Most of people just read. This

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-16 Thread Christoph Pojer
Also, this is the ticket regarding fireEvent: https://mootools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/2706/tickets/976-resolve-fireevent-issues-with-ie9 (I wrongly said we were staying with triggerEvent :) ) On Sep 17, 1:23 am, Christoph Pojer wrote: > So the thing was that at the hackathon I discovered tha

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-16 Thread Christoph Pojer
So the thing was that at the hackathon I discovered that IE9 doesn't pick up fireEvent from the Element.prototype. We have tried to find a fix but it took quite a while (the fact that my IE9 preview 4 crashed when I opened the dev console didn't help either). I have since posted the bug to the IE9

Re: [Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-16 Thread Aaron Newton
Mostly because the dev list is where the dev team feels free to bicker, mostly about what to name methods (like fireEvent, no, wait, triggerEvent, no, wait...). If it were public we'd perhaps be less frank with each other. We aren't hiding secrets but rather ensuring that we behave, in public, with

[Moo] Re: (1.3) fireEvent > triggerEvent > fireEvent?

2010-09-16 Thread Mikhail Korobov
Aaron, I read this topic by accident and your answer amazes me. Why is dev list private? This is ridiculous for popular open source project. On 17 сен, 03:01, Aaron Newton wrote: > This discussion is on the dev list, which is a private list. > > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Rolf -nl wrot