simply put I have problem with style (just ask my tailor) my prob is sort of more IE but here someone might also have a few hints in general for NN condition I need to access the values which the rules give to positioned objects. eg. to get pixelLeft of a DIV which as a unique id rule setting an absolute position left. I am calling the object as eg. document.all.idref.style.pixelLeft (for IE) With these values I can play and do things like animation. however... when the stylesheet is an external linked file. all such values are undefined and give results NaN when processed in my magic api.It is as if it cant see the values but they are 'there' in the positioning on screen :-( It all works fine when the style rules are inline (my short-term workaround). Another thing to mention is that the DIVs are nested... My obvious thought were that I am using the wrong reference... document.all.idref.style.posLeft document.all.idref.style.left document.all.idref.styleSheet.something... even??? but I have found no clear guidance on either the standards or implementations. (there is good stuff but all on inline attribute referencing) If anyone has any good suggestions, advice or just plain tutoring I will be v grateful. In that case the reward will be a peek at my dirty little api... Or you could just tell me where there might be someone who does know. M