Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-24 Thread Ian G
J. Greenlees wrote: 3. Consider these three cases: (a) Unencrypted connection. (b) SSL connection with a self-signed certificate. (c) SSL connection with a certificate signed by a known CA. Of these three options, (a) is the riskiest context in which to submit an HTML form; (b) and

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-24 Thread Gervase Markham
Ka-Ping Yee wrote: 1. As mentioned in my last message, a transient warning could appear when the user is typing text into a form on an unencrypted site. _Any_ unencrypted site? I suggest that this would get irritating to the user pretty quickly. 2. Currently, typing in password fields

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Duane
J. Greenlees wrote: > the issuing of certs needs to be re-examined, and some sort of viable > system worked out to protect end users from fraudulent use. > far beyond the scope of any one development team, though maybe getting > security teams from most development groups to work together on a san

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread J. Greenlees
Ian G wrote: Ka-Ping Yee wrote: It's an assumption of Gervase's current anti-phishing proposal that everything starts with SSL. Indeed, sites really should have no business slinging around passwords and credit card numbers in cleartext -- it's pretty irresponsible. Here are a few thoughts on how

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Duane
Ian G wrote: > This is what we are getting at. Real people have > real risks. Geeks fantasize about being the target > of NSA surveillance, but that's not the Mozilla > target audience. The biggest issue I have with some of the suggestions for improvement is are they really an improvement worth

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Ian G
Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: Ian G writes: But, in practice, it would be more secure these days to show the password in the clear all the time, as there is nobody peeking over the shoulder most of the time in today's computing ... Because today, they can be sitting in a van outside, monitori

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Ian G writes: > But, in practice, it would be more secure these days > to show the password in the clear all the time, as > there is nobody peeking over the shoulder most of > the time in today's computing ... Because today, they can be sitting in a van outside, monitoring the RF emanations of th

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Ian G
Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Ian G wrote: Ka-Ping Yee wrote: 2. Currently, typing in password fields shows a bunch of stars to give the impression that what you type is secret. Well, if we are really serious about the necessity of SSL for keeping passwords secret, then wh

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Ka-Ping Yee
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Ian G wrote: > Ka-Ping Yee wrote: > >2. Currently, typing in password fields shows a bunch of stars to > >give the impression that what you type is secret. Well, if we > >are really serious about the necessity of SSL for keeping passwords > >secret, then why shoul

Re: Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Ian G
Ka-Ping Yee wrote: It's an assumption of Gervase's current anti-phishing proposal that everything starts with SSL. Indeed, sites really should have no business slinging around passwords and credit card numbers in cleartext -- it's pretty irresponsible. Here are a few thoughts on how we might enco

Encouraging encryption

2005-02-23 Thread Ka-Ping Yee
It's an assumption of Gervase's current anti-phishing proposal that everything starts with SSL. Indeed, sites really should have no business slinging around passwords and credit card numbers in cleartext -- it's pretty irresponsible. Here are a few thoughts on how we might encourage the use of SS