Thanks, Dean. That was very helpful. I have no disagreement with your
lengthy response (and I, for one, appreciated the detail and have saved it),
but I do want to clarify your comment on Ron in your last paragraph and to
express Ron's caveat:
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Yikes. I had no idea it was a hoax. Sorry to trouble everyone.
Jill Harmon
Cleveland
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In Re: Ethics in Government--Proposed Revised Minneapolis Code of Ethics
While generally agreeing with the statement of former Council Member
McDonald, I think the revision of the Ethics Code is appropriate and timely.
Although it seems to me the boards or committees on which I have served over
t
The proposed Code of Ethics seems very thorough in defining a broad range of
ethical expectations of city employees and offiicials. It also has a
comprehensive mechanism for investigating ethics complaints. However, there
is one thing that seems to be at least partially missing: teeth. An
ethic
Susan Herridge writes:
In the climate of the last year of indictments and convictions for illegal
behavior by Council members, it behooves that group to lead the way in a
public showing of cleaning up our act, city- wide.
RL
I do believe that this proposed ordinance in response to the two o
Well, Ms. McDonald, I must respectfully disagree (see Mr. Brauer, don't we play nice?)
I think the ethics guidelines could come in handy in many cases where we are not
talking about illegal or obviously dishonest behavior, but simply situations that fall
into a gray area. (and if there were not
See what they're saying from Ely, MN:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3668800.html
P.S. Don't yell at me David, the article REFERS to
Minneapolis, and I'm not initiating any discussion
about Ely, I promise!
Connie Nompelis
Ventura Village
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Hello Minneapolis Folks, and Jim Graham:
Jim Graham Wrote:
"Since we are on the subject of "Voting", how about
the 'anti-war resolution supporters doing more than
accusing others of lacking moral fortitude. Show
some of their own. Cathy Leighton offered the
perfect vehicle and one that would put
In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:35:30 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> One's option about a local anti-war resolution is not a litmus test for
> whether or not they TRULY oppose a war. Please, please try to consider
the
> fact that I plainly and simply don't believe tha
Thomas T. Thai wrote:
> A poll has been put up to see if the Minneapolis City Council
> should or shouldn't support the anti-war resolution.
I can't think of a much more unreliable way to access
public opinion than this. It's as bad as the polls
used to show that, "Dewey beats Truman." I supp
I think it is time for Jordan Kushner to consider not paying his city taxes. After all, if Jordan is *truly* committed to ensuring that there is no war, and the city councilpeople truly have a chance to do something about our war prospects, and refuse to do so, despite being our elected officials,
Folks, Why do we have to choose between the two? Both are important.
This war against Iraq is about consolidating the resources of large
corporate entities, while the discussions about best restaurants gives us
the information we need to support good small businesses citywide. BTW,
I 'd like to
Some folks just know the right thing to do. I don't think an ethics policy
makes honest people any more honest and I certainly don't think it will
deter dishonest folks. Sort of like closing the gate after the horses are
out.
Lisa McDonald
East Harriet
Currently e-mailing from Hilo, Hawaii
Michael Hohmann writes:
>"3. Mpls.-specific topics dealing with housing, city services,
> police-community relations, crime, jobs, budgets, spending priorities,
> community and economic development, CPED, NRP, MPS, MPL, MPRB, city
> planning, zoning, election of CC members and state efforts to int
> Uh no.
>
> I'm saying a local resolution isn't an effective tactic. I personally
> believe the resolution is a cheap symbol, devoid of effectiveness. While the
> benefits may seem obvious to you - the chance of a groundswell that will
> change policy - I believe the city has little legitimacy
> I think David's post is pretty revealing about the point of view of those
> who claim to oppose war, while also opposing a local anti-war resolution.
> This view expresses opposition to war, but ultimately says that the war is
> not an important issue.
I have to side with Jordan. The "think gl
Victoria Heller wrote:
When did self-sufficiency become a "conservative" view?
Does that mean that the "liberal" view is dependency?
Many states including Texas, Florida, Nevada, and others have NO INCOME TAX
at all. I wonder how they survive.
[Jack Kryst]
Poorly.
Here are some excerpts fro
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/school/syfrett.asp
has this to say about Shannon Syfrett's science project:
This umpteenth variation of the "message in a bottle" school project is
prone to the same basic problem as all the others: the people who
initiate them don't anticipate the tremendous volum
Nicholas Frank writes:
"Governor Pawlenty's budget plan illustrates his conservative view that
local
governmental units should be as self-sufficient as possible and bear their
own costs of services."
Vicky Heller asks:
When did self-sufficiency become a "conservative" view?
Does that mean that t
Thank you, Jordan. While I've always been in support of our City Council
passing an anti-war resolution, it did not occur to me that our ELECTED
officials indeed have a responsibility to formally voice their
opposition to a war that is being planned and executed by a President and
Vice President
A poll has been put up to see if the Minneapolis City Council should or
shouldn't support the anti-war resolution.
The poll is at the URL below:
http://news.minnesota.com/pollbooth.php?poll=03/02/22/9451715
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Thomas T. Thai / Whittier
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Ken writes:
> Those of us who believe an anti-war resolution is
> important for discussion are told it is not relevant
> or germane to the list or the city of Minneapolis.
Since there appears to be some confusion:
General anti-war discussion isn't germane to the list. However, if there is
a spe
I have posted my personal position previously regarding the anti-war
resolution. I believe that it is not an appropriate use of our council
members time. And I reject the arguement that it wouldn't take much time,
that it would just be a quick vote. This would only be true if every
council perso
I would like to respond to Laura Sether's post on the new ethics guidelines with a
heartfelt "its about time!" In the climate of the last year of indictments and
convictions for illegal behavior by Council members, it behooves that group to lead
the way in a public showing of cleaning up our ac
Ken Bradley asks, regarding what is relevant discussion material on this
issues.list:
> What seems more important for discussion related to
> the future of our city, anti-war resolution or best
> place to go for happy hour in Minneapolis? Lets have a
> vote: I will cast the first vote for Anti-War
If you've never been to Hollywood 2003, I highly recommend it. A
fabulous evening - the largest Oscars party in the country - right
here in Minneapolis. The money raised goes to a good cause as well.
District 202 has been struggling to support it's HIV prevention
program with the recent loss of MDH
Minneapolis council member proposes rescinding mediation directive
David Chanen and Rochelle Olson
Star Tribune
Published Feb. 22, 2003
Minneapolis City Council Member Barb Johnson
plans to propose next week that the council
rescind its directive that the Police
Department proceed with fe
Dave Piehl wrote:
Last night at the PRAC meeting, Peter McLaughlin
defended the Access Project as a partial correction of
the damage done to the neighborhoods and Lake Street
when I-35W ripped them apart in the 1960's.
In my opinion, Peter has it partially right; I
believe there is merit to th
Hello Minneapolis Issues Folks:
David Brauer Wrote:
"I'm saying a local resolution isn't an effective
tactic. I personally believe the resolution is a cheap
symbol, devoid of effectiveness."
Ken Bradley Wrote: I have great respect for David
Brauer and have admired his work and contribution to
thi
I feel an anti-war resolution would not do a tremendous amount of good. It also isn't
likely, by itself, to do any great harm. One way in which it COULD do harm is if the
fight over a trivial question leads to such bad feelings that purely LOCAL problems
are hard to solve due to a spirit of ani
I have posted on this issue in the past in the same vain as Paul Lohman -
strongly opposed to the war, but feel it is not within the Council's
jurisdiction. Jordan Kushner suggested in his post that there could not be
much harm that would come from dealing with this issue at the City level.
There h
Contrary to the tone of David Brauer and Paul Lohman's response, I don'
think my previous post made personal judgments about people claiming to
oppose war but opposing a city council anti-war resolution, but actually
tried to steer away from name-calling. My point is that if one's opposition
to wa
Vicky Heller writes:
Why do these rules of ethical conduct only apply to elected officials and
"top" political appointees?
Much harm (not to mention lawsuits against the City) has been inflicted by
lower level staff people, especially at the MCDA.
Everyone should behave ethically, not just the p
>From a friend regarding the student email project:
Just a quick response, Andy: In the past, these have been hoaxes, with
the specific (and highly effective) intent and ability to bring systems
at schools, in communities, and at internet service providers to a
screeching halt, simply by being com
You know I was going to be all done with this as I thought I had expressed
my thoughts clearly, but Jordan Kushner's post is really just too much.
Why is it that when people disagree about the issue of an anti-war
resolution that the people who favor it demonize those who oppose it and
feel fre
Governor Pawlenty's budget plan illustrates his conservative view that local
governmental units should be as self-sufficient as possible and bear their
own costs of services. Evidence of this can be seen in his massive cuts to
LGA and his partial funding of the operating costs of the Hiawatha LRT
Why do these rules of ethical conduct only apply to elected officials and
"top" political appointees?
Much harm (not to mention lawsuits against the City) has been inflicted by
lower level staff people, especially at the MCDA.
Everyone should behave ethically, not just the people whose names we
r
Jordan rather effectively illustrates my point. He writes:
> I think David's post is pretty revealing about the point of view of those
> who claim to oppose war, while also opposing a local anti-war resolution.
> This view expresses opposition to war, but ultimately says that the war is
> not an i
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