[Mpls] Nuisance Offenses ...pardon me

2003-08-29 Thread Dan Prozinski
J.M. - Nuisance Offenses > "What about public urination? As a citizen of this city, I think there > shouldn't be "punishment" for public urination until such a day as it can be > shown there was really an alternative. I go around town and see lots of "no > public toilet" signs. To repeat what I

[Mpls] Save the Dowling Community Garden

2003-08-29 Thread Corrie Zoll
Some of you will get multiple copies of this message. My apologies. It's worth your time. The Minneapolis School Board will vote September 30 on a proposal to build a new middle school on the site of the Dowling Community Garden. The Dowling Community Garden was established as a "Victory Garden"

[Mpls] 1st av s now two way, why?

2003-08-29 Thread SClift Mobile
Between Frankiln and I believe 28th street, they made 1st av s two way. I have always found it odd that 1st av s heading north at 29 was forced over onto jammed up nicollet. Now this additional change make 1st even more constrained. Is this part of some master plan? Steven Clift Carag reside

RE: [Mpls] What do you folks care about/hierarchy of needs

2003-08-29 Thread Susan Maricle
I'm a great believer in Maslow's hierarchy of needs--that a person must meet basic needs such as survival and shelter before meeting higher needs and becoming self-actualized. The same principle holds true with Mpls. neighborhoods: there is a hierarchy of needs. For some neighborhoods, the que

Re: [Mpls] Re: Rybak announces Police Chief selection process

2003-08-29 Thread David Wilson
I endorse what Tim writes in his post. The critical issue is the continued shooting of mentally ill people by Mpls police. Part of the problem is a training issue and part of the problem is an operations issue. I would like to see this particular problem addressed in the selection process for th

Re: [Mpls] Are we too soft or too harsh on criminals?

2003-08-29 Thread budtbum
On 28 Aug 2003 at 14:54, Jordan Kushner wrote: Perhaps the participants in the African American Men's Project sponsored events had to do a little less time. So what?! What is wrong with making life a little easier for a group that is much more harshly targetted by the criminal "justice" system?

[Mpls] Forgot to sign

2003-08-29 Thread Brandon Lacy
Brandon Lacy Powderhorn Park Chair National Lavender Green Caucus Green Party of the United States Lavender Greens: www.lavendergreens.org BrownTones: http://galileo.spaceports.com/~brandonl/ YouthAction: www.youthaction.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] How Heal

Re: [Mpls] How Healthy is Minneapolis? 105th out of 125 American Cities.

2003-08-29 Thread Brandon Lacy
These lists are always amusing to me. Conde Nast, relatively recently (in the last three months) came out with a list indicating that Minneapolis was the #2 healthiest city in the nation based on percentage of population with athetlic club memberships and/or participation on sports and recreatio

[Mpls] Who's that guy with a hockey stick?

2003-08-29 Thread Thomas T. Thai (Mpls-Issues)
There used to be this guy with a hockey stick rollerblading around Minneapolis. I saw him around the U of MN campus, Uptown, and the lakes. He looks to be in his 40s, long hair in a pony tail. He would go around town and gather up garbage on the street and sidewalk with his hockey stick. I've not

[Mpls] Re: Rybak announces Police Chief selection process

2003-08-29 Thread timothy connolly
I am right there with Renee Jenson when she questions whether the Mayor included in his advisory group someone with mental health orientation. It is my experience that the Mayor talks a good show about the mentallly ill but when it comes down to it he doesn't follow through for one reson or anothe

[Mpls] How Healthy is Minneapolis? 105th out of 125 American Cities.

2003-08-29 Thread rracz
Organic Style magazine recently published a list ranking the relative health, based on pollution, of 125 major US cities. Minneapolis was listed 105th. Some points of comparison. . . . Rapid City, SD #2; Iowa City, IA #25; Rochester, MN #37; Des Moines, IA #49, Austin, TX #58; Madison, WI #

Re: [Mpls] "Evil People"

2003-08-29 Thread Michelle Gross
At 05:27 PM 8/28/03 -0500, Jim Mork wrote: "Evil People" I know families who are mourning lost loved ones due to careless police action. Those in uniform who killed them don't even get a slap on the hand. Do we include these in "evil people" who should spend the rest of their lives in jail? (I

[Mpls] Restorative Justice--Reality Check

2003-08-29 Thread Michelle Gross
It's time for the angry white folks on this list to take a chill pill and listen to some reality. At least try to open your minds to another perspective. What Booker, Jonathan and others are trying to point out is that the experiences of people of color with law enforcement are different than

[Mpls] comment to (no subject) ...pardon me

2003-08-29 Thread Brian Fesler
Dan Prozinski: "I do think the 2 hour time required of offenders was far to short. And how was the time clock managed? Did the clock start ticking at the assigned site or did work designation, transportation, tool distribution... all eat away at our 2 hours of pay back? Did we even get two hours?"

[Mpls] Personal attacks

2003-08-29 Thread List Manager
> Attitudes > After reading the list manager's caution about personal attacks, I thought > about some of the patterns of this list. One of those patterns are the > people who don't try to define and solve a problem. They just don't LIKE the > city. They post day in and day out how miserable it is.

[Mpls] Prosecution;Web Site;Nuisance Offenses;Attitudes

2003-08-29 Thread Jim Mork
Prosecution If litterbugs were prosecuted, we'd need to double Amy Klobuchar's office. Not to be too insulting, but are people AWARE that prosecution is not something you do for free? It costs serious money. And taxpayers have shown a RESISTANCE to anything that costs them MONEY. Now you tel

FW: [Mpls] comment to (no subject)

2003-08-29 Thread Peter Jessen
There have been some very interesting comments about racism, and certainly this week and this day, the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech is a good time to thoughtfully pursue these thoughts. I draw your attention to four things that might help in one's deliberati

[Mpls] Is the Startribune still the Johannesburg Times?

2003-08-29 Thread Shawn Lewis
Mr.Lou Gelfand: (Star Tribune ombudsman Lou Gelfand writes a weekly column, based on reader complaints and comments) After Rochelle Olson, poor article on Minneapolis City Council Member Natalie Johnson Lee, I want to know how many African-Americans, Asian-American, Chicanos/Latinos and Americ

[Mpls] Not the 2 A.M. Party Girl

2003-08-29 Thread KHarley471
Good morning, List Members. It's 2:30 a.m. on August 29, and I've just called the Governor's office to complain, for all the good it will do me, that I have once again been woken up by white, rich, drunken twentysomething slobs on a weekday night. I opposed the 2 a.m. law from the beginning, and i

Re: [Mpls] Re: comment to (no subject)

2003-08-29 Thread Barbara Lickness
Brian, I don't know you but I too am proud of your efforts.  You are right. It is easy to stand back and judge others for attempting to do something. It's much harder to get something started in an attempt to make a dent in a problem. You and many others like you work very hard every day to make in

[Mpls] Personal attacks

2003-08-29 Thread List Manager
Minneapolis Issues is designed to be a list that focuses on discussing issues, not each other. It doesn't always work out that way...but lately, things have gotten worse. I want to remind all members that the rules (http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls) prohibit personal attacks. That includes attackin

[Mpls] comment to (no subject) ...pardon me

2003-08-29 Thread Dan Prozinski
I read the article on community work in exchange for clean traffic records. I think Minneapolis needs more creative solutions like this to the help unclog itself of both costly bureaucracy and scofflaws. I do think the 2 hour time required of offenders was far to short. And how was the time clock

[Mpls] ticketing etc.

2003-08-29 Thread Joncgord
` I've no idea what happened to my transmission. What I tried to say was has any MAN talked his way out of a ticket? Jon Gorder Loring Park TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If

RE: [Mpls] What do you folks care about?

2003-08-29 Thread Peter Jessen
Evidence has been called for. Vicky and Peter S. and Jim G. have provided it (see below). Ron provides evidence in each chapter of his book and regularly in his bi-weekly column and daily web log at www.TheMinneapolisStory.com. And what about Black Youth? Of interest to both sides of the ticket

[Mpls] Are we too soft or too harsh on criminals?

2003-08-29 Thread Dave Stack
This is confusing. Are we too soft on criminals, or are we too harsh on criminals? Seems like I have been getting alternating and contradictory messages on this topic, on this list and elsewhere for years. One position states that we have a revolving door, give too many criminals a little slap on t

Fwd: [Mpls] Re: comment to (no subject)

2003-08-29 Thread Joncgord
In a message dated 8/28/03 7:20:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << How many white people here have talked a police officer out of giving them a traffic ticket? (I have, three times.) >> --- Begin Message --- How many white people here have talked a police officer out

[Mpls] Re: comment to (no subject)

2003-08-29 Thread Brian Fesler
I'm surprised at the reaction on this list to the Restorative Justice project. Maybe that's because I didn't read any accounts in the newspaper. I can sympathize with Jill, and hope you do get justice served. I would like to give you some background on this. This project was started by a group

Re: [Mpls] comment to (no subject)

2003-08-29 Thread Chris Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as I understand it, the range was from 2-8 hours depending upon the severity of the violation, and this was determined by a judge after they waited in line for an hour to two. Second, I don't see how anyone can call this light without knowing the actual details of the off

Re: [Mpls] Re: comment to (no subject)

2003-08-29 Thread Susan Maricle
How many white people here have talked a police officer out of giving them a traffic ticket? (I have, three times.) How many white people here have performed even two hours of community service in return for those forgiven offenses? (I haven't, for all three times.) How many black drivers succes