Re: [Mpls] City Hall flag

2005-04-06 Thread David Shove
It's for our lost innocence. -David Shove Roseville On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Steve Brandt wrote: > I forget. Are City Hall flags at half-staff today for Prince Ranier of > Monaco or Saul Bellow? Or was there another big claim settled by the Council? > > Steve Brandt > Kingfield > Always at half

Re: [Mpls] Park Board Meeting, 5:00pm on Wednesday, April 6

2005-04-06 Thread Elizabeth Wielinski
The turf is to be used to make an indoor soccer field at Parade Stadium. The interesting part ( not mentioned to those who don't go to the meetings and read the supplemental reports provided) is that it is to be paid for from the "enterprise capital funds that are earmarked for new income gene

Re: [Mpls] City Hall flag - send your checks

2005-04-06 Thread Eva Young
At 04:06 PM 4/6/2005, Derek Burrows Reise wrote: Thanks Terrell for suggesting to send your checks to those fighting to maintain the separation of church and state--and keep personal theology out of public policy. The one thing I would say is that instead of sending your checks to NARAL Pro-Choice

Re: [Mpls] Park Board Meeting, 5:00pm on Wednesday, April 6

2005-04-06 Thread Mark Snyder
On 4/6/05 8:13 PM, "md" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Johnson wrote: > >> * Acceptance of low bid for $65,450 worth of indoor artificial turf. (To be > used where?) > > Could it be the rumored "astroturf" for the Nicollet Island "multi-purpose" > athletic facility? > > Barry Clegg wrote

Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread ergreenbaum
I assume you smoke since the writing seems to be out of anger - could it be that you are addicted and don't want to accept the health facts of second hand smoke? True I can't stand smelling like a cigarette butt when I leave a bar, but I also didn't run home to have a washdown. But what WOULD ha

Re: [Mpls] Flags

2005-04-06 Thread Dyna
about the flags that have sprouted everywhere since mindless flag waving became so popular a couple years ago. Provided you don't use the flag to hype used cars or crooked politicians there's nothing mindless about flying the flag. Why is it that the flags on one side of all our city busses, an

Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread Andy Driscoll
What utter nonsense this is. I don't believe for a minute that any bar struggling to survive is in trouble because their drinkers can't smoke. And if it's true for even one, then something was seriously wrong with the operation to begin with. Name-calling as a descriptor for public health advocat

Re: [Mpls] Flags

2005-04-06 Thread David Gadberry
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Mike Nelson wrote: Why is it that the flags on one side of all our city busses, and some fire trucks, are displayed backwards? I've called the MTC, as well as the Fire Dept. and no one can tell me who the person in charge of pasting the things on vehicles is. This is mor

Re: [Mpls] 'Citizen Participation' still a myth; 'Activist Participation' not...

2005-04-06 Thread gemgram
I believe Michael Atherton's problem with NRP stems from his inability to convince the folks in his neighborhood that he is smarter than they, and thus should let him decide how the program should be run. I can think of one or two others who had the same opinion of NRP after not being given t

[Mpls] Flags

2005-04-06 Thread Mike Nelson
Oops, posted my last message before I had seen the warning. Sorry. I do have a Minneapolis specific question though. It's about the flags that have sprouted everywhere since mindless flag waving became so popular a couple years ago. Why is it that the flags on one side of all our city busses, and s

[Mpls] Economic Hallucinations

2005-04-06 Thread Mike Jensvold
While the loss of anyone's livelihood as a result of the ban is tragic, let's end the hallucination that the consumption of alcohol and cigarettes can be the basis of a healthy economy. Or gambling, that's an economic hallucination as well. Mike Jensvold Ward 10 REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Pleas

Re: [Mpls] Bikes - robberies, auctions

2005-04-06 Thread md
Some bicyclists have recently been robbed on the Cedar Lake Trail http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/crimealert/021758.asp#TopOfPage The first bicycle auction of the year by Minneapolis Police is on April 14th: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/news/20050331auction.asp Madeline Doug

Re: [Mpls] City Hall Flag

2005-04-06 Thread Mike Nelson
Gary Hoover wrote: > I find the lowering of flags to be a part of a manipulative and divisive > public relations campaign on the part of a very small neo-conservative, > corporatist wing of the Republican Party. Our government leaders should > publicly apologize for this action. It was and is a

Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread Dan
The probelm here is this idea of elitists venturing into all the working class establishments to try to keep them afloat just isn't going to happen. There have been reports of anti-smokers popping in to the odd neighborhood bar here and there to gloat, order water and fail to tip the staff, but tha

Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread Mike Jensvold
At 07:40 PM 4/6/2005, Michael Thompson wrote: This is exactly one of the points I made to my city councilperson and the various state legislators I mailed and emailed regarding the ban. My original point was, and still is, this: I suspect 99% of smoking ban proponents will never stoop low enough to

Re: [Mpls] Park Board Meeting, 5:00pm on Wednesday, April 6

2005-04-06 Thread md
Chris Johnson wrote: > * Acceptance of low bid for $65,450 worth of indoor artificial turf. (To be used where?) Could it be the rumored "astroturf" for the Nicollet Island "multi-purpose" athletic facility? Barry Clegg wrote on March 23: "The Park Board would be giving up some of the "look

Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread Michael Thompson
Mr. Strand's response below scares the holy hell out of me. Mr. Strand says: "Why should public policy be crafted not based on public health but on some twisted idea that every single business must survive intact as is only sans smoking?" MT says: Nice try, but totally misses the point. The notio

Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread Michael Thompson
This is exactly one of the points I made to my city councilperson and the various state legislators I mailed and emailed regarding the ban. My original point was, and still is, this: I suspect 99% of smoking ban proponents will never stoop low enough to patronize 99% of the bars affected by the ba

[Mpls] More endorsements for Lilligren in Ward 6

2005-04-06 Thread Barbara Lickness
Minneapolis City Council Vice President Robert Lilligren announces four more endorsements in his campaign for the 6th Ward Council Seat. The four are: Minneapolis Building and Construction Trades Council, comprised of 29 trade unions, the Minneapolis Firefighters Union, Stonewall DFL, the GLBT

Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread David Strand
Conditions change. Businesses fail. Happens everyday. Why should public policy be crafted not based on public health but on some twisted idea that every single business must survive intact as is only sans smoking? Businesses that can't sustain themselves without allowing smoking perhaps deserve

Re: [Mpls] Did Mpls NAACP branch "loan" $85, 000 for investment in grocery st...

2005-04-06 Thread Socialist2001
Also see: "Ron Edwards comments on Mpls issues forum discussion" re: Did Mpls NAACP branch "loan" $85,000 for investment in grocery stores. Blog Post by Ron Edwards, April 5, 2005 http://educationright.tripod.com/id460.htm In a message dated 4/1/2005 3:03:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PR

[Mpls] Smoking ban participation

2005-04-06 Thread Jeremy Wieland
I've been following the businesses that have been benefiting from the ban. That is good. However, there are businesses that were crushed last week-end. Many of the neighborhood bars in Northeast Minneapolis suffered major financial loses. It is really important that people behind the marketing t

[Mpls] City Hall flag

2005-04-06 Thread Steve Brandt
I forget. Are City Hall flags at half-staff today for Prince Ranier of Monaco or Saul Bellow? Or was there another big claim settled by the Council? Steve Brandt Kingfield Always at half staff REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think

RE: [Mpls] City Hall flag - send your checks

2005-04-06 Thread Michael Atherton
Derek Burrows Reise wrote: > NARAL Pro-Choice MINNESOTA is actually holding an > event at (smoke-free) Jitters Bar & Cafe on Monday, > April 11th, 6-8pm. It's the annual Beer, Wine, and > Chocolate Tasting. Live music will be featured. That's what I love about Minneapolis, "It's the Iro

[Mpls] City Hall flag - send your checks

2005-04-06 Thread Derek Burrows Reise
Thanks Terrell for suggesting to send your checks to those fighting to maintain the separation of church and state--and keep personal theology out of public policy. The one thing I would say is that instead of sending your checks to NARAL Pro-Choice America in Washington, DC, send them directly to

Re: [Mpls] Walker library and Bureau of Mines

2005-04-06 Thread Krueger, Rodney
I do support smart urban planning principles such as mixed-use projects and green buildings. The issue here is a funding gap of over a million dollars. The library board found this out in our original study (over two years ago) and that is why (as well as a sense of urgency to repair the park

Re: [Mpls] 'Citizen Participation' still a myth; 'Activist Participation' not...

2005-04-06 Thread Chris Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is not a "quick fix" to shifting away from apathy and disconnected neighbors... we need a long-term strategy that will continue to bring MORE participation in at the neighborhood level. As the process continues to become better known, even through criticisms such

RE: [Mpls] 'Citizen Participation' still a myth; 'Activist Participation' not...

2005-04-06 Thread Michael Atherton
Nikki Carlson wrote: > Is the idea of the original post to take away participation > from those who show up and concentrate decision-making elsewhere? The idea is to have government funding decisions made by proportional representation rather than special interests (can't get much more speci

Re: [Mpls] 'Citizen Participation' still a myth; 'Activist Participation' not a myth

2005-04-06 Thread wmmarks
Barbara Lickness wrote: David - It is much easier to do nothing and sit back and criticize those who are. You know, the old arm chair quarterback thing. Peace. Oh, stop. It was ever thus. The NRP has been less than perfect, their record is spotty in organizing who showed up to make the decision

[Mpls] The value of citizen participation NRP style

2005-04-06 Thread Earl Netwal
Citizen participation as exemplified in the Minneapolis NRP process provides a significant feature that was missing prior to the NRP program except for a brief period in it's very ancient precursor, the Minneapolis Model City program. Most citizen particpation/advisory venues that have existed in

[Mpls] 'Citizen Participation' still a myth; 'Activist Participation' not...

2005-04-06 Thread Nikkicarlson001
Is the idea of the original post to take away participation from those who show up and concentrate decision-making elsewhere? This seems like it doesn't address the core problem he's pointed out, which is we need MORE citizen participation in order to improve our neighborhoods. How does taking

[Mpls] Compromise Bonding Bill Final Draft

2005-04-06 Thread Aaron Klemz
Here is the link to the conference committee report of the bonding bill. This is the version that has been reported in the media (dated 4/5). Sorry its long, but I tried to pick out the parts that are most Minneapolis relevant to save you the trouble. A couple of items of note: 1) 12.35 million f

Re: [Mpls] Sabo Cosponsors Military Readiness Enhancement Act- Thanks for calls

2005-04-06 Thread wmmarks
David Strand wrote: I want to thank members of this list who called Rep. Sabo and asked him to cosponsor the Military Readiness Enhancement Act which would repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy of the U.S. armed forces and replace it with a policy of nondiscrimination on the basis of sexual ori

[Mpls] Sabo Cosponsors Military Readiness Enhancement Act- Thanks for calls

2005-04-06 Thread David Strand
I want to thank members of this list who called Rep. Sabo and asked him to cosponsor the Military Readiness Enhancement Act which would repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy of the U.S. armed forces and replace it with a policy of nondiscrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Sabo beca

Re: [Mpls] 'Citizen Participation' still a myth; 'Activist Participation' not a myth

2005-04-06 Thread Barbara Lickness
David - It is much easier to do nothing and sit back and criticize those who are. You know, the old arm chair quarterback thing. Peace. Barb Lickness Whittier "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- M

Re: [Mpls] 'Citizen Participation' still a myth; 'Activist Participation' not a myth

2005-04-06 Thread David Greene
Bob Johnson wrote: D. The sad thing is that the longer this myth (hoax) is allowed to persist, the longer will real City problems go unanswered. The neighborhood residents should band together to work with their elected representatives in order to solve real City problems (which are not cig smok

[Mpls] Minneapolis Bonding Requests (Final Disposition?)

2005-04-06 Thread WLDJ36
Governor Pawlenty discusses two Minneapolis bonding requests: $1 million Schubert (in) and $2 million Colin Powell Youth Center (out). Here is the link to the Star Tribune story: _http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5332073.html_ (http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5332073.html) Bil

[Mpls] Free bikes and other bike programing

2005-04-06 Thread Andrew Koebrick
Minneapolitans, The Bicycle and Pedestrian Alliance has a few new programs relevant to Minneapolis this month: 1) Full Cycle: We will be giving 10 bicycles and commuter kits (i.e. helmets and such) and riding mentors to folks who pledge to replace car commuti