[Mpls] Rain and Trees!

2005-05-18 Thread Annie Young
As much as you personally may "not" be liking all this rain please remember that the Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board has just finished planting 2600 new trees of 41 varieties throughout the city on parkways and boulevards. The TREES are loving all this rain. Trust me on this one! Annie

RE: [Mpls] 5th Ward Elections

2005-05-18 Thread Dennis Plante
Here's a transcribed excerpt that was passed along to me, from the cable-television show from which the charges were filed... Booker Hodges: "To me the solution is, ultimately all the things that we sit here and talk about, whether it be economic development - which is job creation, people like C

[Mpls] sorry

2005-05-18 Thread Jon Gorder
I will not send any more messages until I understand what the $$&%^* is going on with this system. My story about Mayor Naftalin was intended to be a bit more complex and I hope interesting, but when I hit [EMAIL PROTECTED]@$ keys...this damn thing sends whatever you're writing at that moment!

[Mpls] 5th Ward Elections

2005-05-18 Thread Dennis Plante
Interesting stuff... Apparently holding peace vigils and attempting to foster people working together gets you nothing more than a death threat these days... dennis plante lind-bohanon http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5411650.html REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http:

Re: [Mpls] Share your Art Naftalin stories

2005-05-18 Thread Jon Gorder
--- Steven Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5411227.html > > Editorial: Arthur Naftalin/A farsighted Minnesota > leader > May 19, 2005 ED0519A > Perhaps this isn't real political but I knew Art (Mr. Naftalin) as a kid. He had a hoop and backboard

Re: [Mpls] Controversial Stormwater Utility Billing New bills last week

2005-05-18 Thread joan thom
How many other people received a NEW water BILL just for storm water last week? It would be interesting to know. Once again the city is using Eight month old information and making the public prove that they are wrong. Joan Thom Hawthorne - Original Message - From: Craig Cox To: mp

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Snyder
On 5/18/05 2:03 PM, "Robert Schmid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> history of packer community ownership. >> http://www.packers.com/history/fast_facts/stock_history/ >> >> packer stock is worthless. you get to vote but get nothing else. it >> doesn't appreciate, you can't sell it but back to th

[Mpls] Share your Art Naftalin stories

2005-05-18 Thread Steven Clift
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5411227.html Editorial: Arthur Naftalin/A farsighted Minnesota leader May 19, 2005 ED0519A The old core of DFL founders grew thinner Monday with the death of Arthur Naftalin. For the many Minnesotans touched by the work of the former Minneapolis mayor

Re: [Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal-carry and Nye's

2005-05-18 Thread Michael Thompson
I surely will call the Governor. And I will urge him to sign the bill posthaste. The Nye's incident is a red herring. It is sad to see the anti-gun zealots salivating over the death of this bouncer as a springboard to advance their agenda. The gentleman at Nye's ceased to be a legal, responsible

[Mpls] As long as we are speaking about Corporate Welfare....

2005-05-18 Thread Ron Lischeid
That is one of the topics that will certainly be discussed this coming Saturday, May 21, 2005 between 11:00 am and 1:00 pm when Minnesota's Senior U.S. Senator, Mark Dayton, is the keynote speaker at the South Metro Airport Action Council (SMAAC) Spring Forum to be held at the Richfield City Hal

[Mpls] DFL picnics

2005-05-18 Thread David Weinlick
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, at 12:51 PM, wmmarks wrote: Part of what is happening to the DFL is that it has, for what reasons I cannot say, lost it's ability to keep itself organized. It used to be that the DFL (or the Democrats in other states) had big picnics or fairs in the summer where ever

[Mpls] Pawlenty to Sign Conceal-Carry Bill

2005-05-18 Thread WLDJ36
A bill allowing more law-abiding Minnesotans to legally carry a handgun easily passed the House on Wednesday and now goes to Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who said he will sign it. Source: wcco.com Bill Dooley Kenny REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rule

[Mpls] David Gadberry wrote:

2005-05-18 Thread Lisa Vecoli
David Gadberry wrote: If you are in a situation where deadly force might be required to protect yourself or a loved one do you actually think that the police will be around to deal with the situation??? Of course not - the police can't (and shouldn't) be everywhere. Lisa, who has been spendi

[Mpls] RE: Call Pawlenty re: conceal and carry

2005-05-18 Thread Brian Hanf
It doesn't sound like it in previous posts that everyone understands that the new conceal and carry law is actually hard to get a permit, in some cases. The current or old law requires no shooting experience or lawful defense instruction, the new law requires this instruction. The old law if y

Re: [Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal-carry and Nye's

2005-05-18 Thread David Gadberry
On May 18, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Heather Martens wrote: Common sense lost in the Minnesota House today, where legislators voted to approve one of the most lax conceal and carry laws in the country - a reenactment of the 2003 law. Heather clearly doesn't like this law and that is fine except when she

Re: [Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal-carry and Nye's

2005-05-18 Thread David Gadberry
On May 18, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Steve Cross wrote: In a civilized country the people depend on the police to deal with situations that might require deadly force and not depend upon "self-help." Depending on "self-help" is the rule of a primitive, and possibly not even civilized, society. Let's b

[Mpls] Peter's support of LRT; (What you see is )

2005-05-18 Thread ken bradley
Hello Minneapolis Folks, Greg Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter, unlike R.T., has a track record of following through on his political objectives (Exhibit A: light-rail). No candidate is perfect, but at least with Peter what you see is what you get. KEN BRADLEY WRITES: While I commend

[Mpls] What Real Thing Will You Do For Peace On Friday?

2005-05-18 Thread Tom Taylor
Please come join us as we stand to say that violence and crime will not carry the day in our Minneapolis communities. Come be a part of PEACE Across The Northside. For too long the corridor along 26th AVE N. has been plagued by hopelessness and senseless acts of violence and degradation and now

[Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal-carry and Nye's

2005-05-18 Thread Steve Cross
On the shooting at Nye's, the news reports were that the perp went to his car and got his gun and came back and shot Billy Walsh (FOUR times -- in the back). He was licensed to carry a handgun and his getting it from his car and carrying it to Nye's is exactly what he was allowed to do by the

Re: [Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal and carry

2005-05-18 Thread DrollB
I wasn;t trying to start a argument just pointing out facts I had heard. I believe it was stated in the star tribune. David Brady Downtown REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager a

[Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal and carry

2005-05-18 Thread Heather Martens
In response to Mr. Brady: I don't know where you got the information that the gun was in the killer's car - that's not what I heard - but it's beside the point. This guy met the lax new definition of "law-abiding" under the 2003 law, even though he had a record. The law is too lax, period. In a

Re: [Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal-carry and Nye's

2005-05-18 Thread DrollB
I believe the man wasn't carrying his gun on him it was in his car so I don't see how the law has anything to do with it? Anyone can carry a gun in there car license or no license. David Brady Downtown REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If

[Mpls] Call Pawlenty re: conceal-carry and Nye's

2005-05-18 Thread Heather Martens
Common sense lost in the Minnesota House today, where legislators voted to approve one of the most lax conceal and carry laws in the country - a reenactment of the 2003 law. Legislators rejected all of the proposed amendments, including one to prohibit guns in bars. The vote occurred the day af

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread Robert Schmid
>> As anyone on here that reads my posts knows, I am totally opposed to a >> tax payer funded stadium. I have made comments to the effect that I >> could warm up to the idea under the right circumstances. Public >> ownership would be one of them. In fact I would be more than willing >> (interest

[Mpls] Decorum reminder

2005-05-18 Thread List manager
We've had a post or two recently that have violated our rules against civil discourse and personal attack. I want to a) let everyone know I'm dealing with it and b) remind people to review the rules at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. The pertinent sections in the recent violations are: 4. B

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread freealonzo
Thank you for shining light on the "community ownership" of the Packers. Also as noted in the post below, Brown County has a 1/10 of 1 percent sales tax (50 percent higher than proposed in Hennepin County) to pay for the renovation of Lambeau Field. They mus have solved all their homeless, tr

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread John Harris
> As anyone on here that reads my posts knows, I am totally opposed to a tax > payer funded stadium. I have made comments to the effect that I could warm > up to the idea under the right circumstances. Public ownership would be one > of them. In fact I would be more than willing (interested)

[Mpls] the DFL

2005-05-18 Thread wmmarks
Part of what is happening to the DFL is that it has, for what reasons I cannot say, lost it's ability to keep itself organized. It used to be that the DFL (or the Democrats in other states) had big picnics or fairs in the summer where everybody brought the kids, hung out, talked politics, and g

RE: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread Leurquin, Ronald
As anyone on here that reads my posts knows, I am totally opposed to a tax payer funded stadium. I have made comments to the effect that I could warm up to the idea under the right circumstances. Public ownership would be one of them. In fact I would be more than willing (interested) in ownin

[Mpls] Community Ownership of the Twins

2005-05-18 Thread Don Jorovsky
Jenny Heiser wrote: I believe [Phyllis Kahn] submitted legislation for consideration about community ownership. Perhaps my memory is faulty about this. I will check the Mpls. List archives. and David Brauer wrote: I'm pretty sure she has. And it's a great idea! If you look at City Pages' analysis

[Mpls] MnDOT Planning Expansion of I-94 Commons

2005-05-18 Thread Craig Cox
MnDOT Planning Expansion of I-94 Commons The Minnesota Department of Transportation has begun planning for an expansion of lanes-with a small nod to mass transit-on the state's most dangerous freeway bottleneck. Go to: -- Craig Cox Founder/Editor The Minneapolis Obs

[Mpls] South Lyndale Master Plan - Community Meetings

2005-05-18 Thread Paul Lohman
Following here is an invitation to the community meetings that are being held for the South Lyndale Avenue Master Plan Project. Four neighborhoods come together at the corner of 54th and Lyndale, and they have been working jointly for a number of years to reach this important point in time. T

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread Jon Gorder
. I disagree with Dean Carlson that > baseball would reject > it. I think the details could easily be worked out. > >What in the world makes you so sure? If there's any possibility of a major league team with wide open books I don't imagine the other owners would appreciate the concept at all

[Mpls] MnDot's plans for Downtown Commons

2005-05-18 Thread mclemore
Yesterday morning I attended City Council's Transportation and Public Works (TPW) Committee meeting, only to discover that MnDot is planning an expansion of the Downtown Commons Area (I-35W, I-94, and I-394). The presentation by MnDot's Metro Division Area Manager, Tom O'Keefe, made one thing

Re: [Mpls] Where's R.T.? (no clear plans for a second term)

2005-05-18 Thread David Brauer
On May 18, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Greg Abbott wrote: On May 18, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Joseph Barisonzi wrote: a seasoned political veteran who has yet to articulate how he would be a step forward rather then a step backward. I'm curious about why Joe thinks that Peter is the candidate with unanswered qu

[Mpls] Mpls. DFL Convention

2005-05-18 Thread bfclegg
Just for purposes of fair disclosure, I supported RT at the convention and will continue to do so. Many of Peter's supporters on this list have repeatedly pointed out that Peter's margin increased on each of the five ballots taken, the implication being that the delegates were turning to Peter en

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread David Brauer
First, a couple of notes from the coiner of Stadiumus Giganticus... Laura Waterman Wittstock, very nicely, reminded me that "stadium" is already Latin, so the correct term should be "Stadium Giganticus." Also, "Stadium Giganticus" does not mean stadium opponents are out to lunch — far from it. I

Re: [Mpls] Reducing the number of delegates.

2005-05-18 Thread Pamela Taylor
Steve, I believe I understand where you are aiming (however, feel free to correct me publicly if I am wrong). Speaking for myself, I went to a caucus and got selected to go to a convention and vote for who I wanted. There was 1) no collective discussion as to how we as delegates could go out

Re: [Mpls] Mpls. DFL Convention

2005-05-18 Thread Chris Johnson
wmmarks wrote: The DFL City Convention was all politics as usual, but I was sort of surprised that the Trib missed the boat. The salient points of the convention were entirely left out of the story. Agreed. Each of the first five ballots showed McLaughlin with more votes. The first vote showed l

[Mpls] Where's R.T.? (no clear plans for a second term)

2005-05-18 Thread Greg Abbott
On May 18, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Joseph Barisonzi wrote: a seasoned political veteran who has yet to articulate how he would be a step forward rather then a step backward. I'm curious about why Joe thinks that Peter is the candidate with unanswered questions, and not R.T. R.T. has given no indic

Re: [Mpls] Reducing the number of delegates.

2005-05-18 Thread mphilip451
I for one liked the size of the convention. It was a pain to move around delegates, but people showed up and that's great! I also like the idea that someone that has little to no experience at a convention can go with out competing against other people. I know if I had to stand up and say why I

Re: [Mpls] Reducing the number of delegates.

2005-05-18 Thread Pamela Taylor
Listb, I stand by my statement that delegates disrespected the process by leaving. No one said that they had to change their votes to vote for someone that they did not believe in. I fully expect everyone to vote their own conscience. However, again, there were OTHER RACES besides the one f

RE: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread Jenny Heiser
Mark, Yes, I am aware of all the facts you've cited and I bet a lot of this list's subscribers are as well. And no, I am not a person who normally engages in fantasy. I am an idealist in the sense that I truly believe we the people CAN wrest back control of this "billion-dollar industry" as you

[Mpls] Re: Stadium Visitors

2005-05-18 Thread freealonzo
Bruce Gaarder Wrote: Dean Carlson informs us that 55 million people have gone to Twins games since the dome was built. Wow! One out of every six people in the country has gone to the dome once. Why doesn't he try to calculate how many individuals have bought tickets? If that's what the 55 milli

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread Gary Hoover
"Some men rob the passers-by for a little cash to spend. Some men rob whole countries dry and still get called their friend..." Jenny H. wrote, in part: Given what Dorie Rae G. posted about the lawmakers not following their own rules and laws, what really concerns me is the high level of hypocris

[Mpls] The Foot Vote

2005-05-18 Thread WJKAHN
The problem in voting with your feet as opposed to various ballot forms, hand, or voice votes is that they so often wind up in your mouth. Bill Kahn Prospect Park REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact

[Mpls] Begging for Crumbs

2005-05-18 Thread m1r3201
The converstaion/debate regarding "stadium giganticus" reflects in my opinion the issue of context and where one sits in the hierarchy of needs. (forgive me Maslow). If a group has all of their needs met (please note I say group, this is not aimed at David Brauer) it is a bit easier to see the

[Mpls] A War of Attrition -- unhealthy for all

2005-05-18 Thread Joseph Barisonzi
The spin that "Each of the first five ballots showed McLaughlin with more votes. The first vote showed less than one percent difference. At each additional ballot McLaughlin gained votes" is not an accurate statement. The only ballot that Peter received more votes was the second ballot. From the t

Re: [Mpls] "Stadiumus Giganticus!"

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Snyder
On 5/17/05 10:03 PM, "Jenny Heiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where is Phyllis Kahn when we need her to once again expound on her previously > stated ideas about how community ownership of a sports team and its venue > might be feasible? Do the folks who promote this idea of community ownershi

[Mpls] Re: stadium visitors

2005-05-18 Thread Bruce Gaarder
Dean Carlson informs us that 55 million people have gone to Twins games since the dome was built. Wow! One out of every six people in the country has gone to the dome once. Why doesn't he try to calculate how many individuals have bought tickets? If that's what the 55 million figure represents.

[Mpls] Reducing the number of delegates.

2005-05-18 Thread Steve Cross
Barbara Lickness said: The number of delegates allowed to be elected at caucuses is determined by the voter turn-out. What I have been talking about really doesn't deal with just the matter of the total number of delegates. (Although, I admit to contributing to that impression by saying that sma