RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Where did MMS go? From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mott Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:27 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service If we can get MMS back, why cant

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I do think they want to stop selling software. I think they want to sell devices subscriptions and services. The EA they are now pushing is subscription based. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:0

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

+1 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Sullivan Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:20 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service 180 days is ridiculous, and it requires me

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

180 days is ridiculous, and it requires me to constantly be connected to even access the systems! It just so happens that some of my customers have either: 1) terrible guest wireless connectivity, or 2) no guest wireless connectivity. I'm guessing most other people can relate to that. So now what?

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription ser vice

You’re doing it wrong From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of rodtr...@myitforum.com Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:52 PM To: SMS Subject: Re: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription ser vice Two completely different areas, for one

Re: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription ser vice

Two completely different areas, for one reason. Microsoft will drag us kicking and screaming into the future - count on it. Sent from Microsoft Surface Pro From: Michael Mott Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎July‎ ‎1‎, ‎2013 ‎8‎:‎27‎ ‎PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com If we can get MMS back, why cant we s

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

If we can get MMS back, why cant we swell up TechNet? From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 5:38 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I had the action pack years ago, switched over to technet for the larger selection of software. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 4:07 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsof

RE: [mssms] RE: Change deployment collection?

Good to know. The compliance was actually one reason I wanted the same deployment. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Jason Sandys [ja...@sandys.us] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 05:38 PM Eastern Standard Time To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [mssms] RE: Change d

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

No one does. But, what alternative do you have right now? From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mott Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 5:10 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscrip

[mssms] RE: Change deployment collection?

Once a deployment is created, there is no way from the UI to do this. There are two reasons for this: it would throw off pre-flight and also messes up compliance reporting for the deployment. I *think* you can actually change it via PowerShell though. J From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [ma

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I really believe you believe that. However, Microsoft stands to make more money through software rental, than software sales. We really need to keep our eyes open and stop thinking what we think is illogical will never happen. Instead, consider outcomes and prepare for them. All of them. T

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Not really, I don't want to rebuild labs every 6 months From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 5:04 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription se

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

MS won't stop selling software. That's not gonna happen. I imagine the piracy was crazy high. I know tons of guys who paid the $350 to get software to use on all their home computers. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Mo

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

>From what I understand, it's not that they were losing money exactly, just weren't making any. The amount of piracy through TechNet was pretty high. And, I hate to throw this out there, but if Microsoft stops producing "boxed" software altogether, i.e., only offers their software as Cloud vers

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

6 months is a pretty long time. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jason Sandys Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 4:08 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service I think th

[mssms] Change deployment collection?

I feel like I am missing something obvious here. Is it not possible to change a deployment collection in CM 2012? I know you could do this in 2007. Daniel Ratliff The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL materia

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Action Pack? http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.as px From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 4:09 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Mic

RE: [mssms] RE: Sizing Question

I'm glad I asked. If the MP's do a decent job with it, then I'm ok with it. Do DP's load balance better as well? -Original Message- From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 12:52 To: Subject: Re: [m

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Generally you get XX number of those as part of your EA. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of chris catlett Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 2:59 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription

Re: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

yeah I think Brad Anderson demo’ed the Windows Azure ‘flaw’ quite well at MMS While I think the Azure solution is great as a ‘sandpit’ and we do use it a lot, we still have a bunch of laptops for customer demos and testing etc... From: Michael Mott Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:50 PM To: mssms@

RE: [mssms] Sizing Question

I forgot to add, the 1000+ user sites have either 1G or 10Gig connectivity. Up until last month, I was at an agency, without a full view of the State's architecture. -Original Message- From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Crown, Davi

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

You can get access to Azure at 10k feet, if you're on the right airline. :) Personally, I think Microsoft just did this too soon. You had to know it was coming, but they don't have anything in place yet to do a complete one-to-one replacement. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:li

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

...And that answer actually makes sense. :) From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jason Sandys Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:08 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service I t

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I need to test on MY hardware to know how things perform on MY hardware, connected to MY storage in MY datacenter. Like or not this cloud thingy isn't going to rule the world. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Monday, July

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Do you get the feeling that MS is trying to push out IT? From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mott Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:27 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscripti

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Yeah.unfortunately, it does cost: http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/pricing/calculator/?scenario=virtual-machi nes You can upload entire lab environments (VMs) to Azure and run it from there. Azure will only charge you for what you use, i.e., when you spin up a VM the meter starts running -

RE: [mssms] Sizing Question

Trevor, I was planning on using the default policy refresh, and daily hw inventory. The lower performing storage is still a fibre channel box, just not a monster box that I'm putting SQL on. I can know I can get 5 to 10K IOPS, with a ceiling of 20K for bursts. -Original Message- From:

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I think the intent is for ITPros to use the 180 day evals for their own labs. J From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 3:02 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down Tec

Re: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I think the point is, people want the choice. There are plenty of scenarios where a cloud service just won't cut it. I can't imagine Microsoft was losing money on TechNet. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Rod Trent wrote: > There’s also the virtual labs. You no longer have to maintain special

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I think you only get 90 minutes (or something like that) at a time before the VM goes dead. Any they are painfully slow. At least they were the last time I used them. Mark Kent (MCP) Sr. Desktop Systems Engineer Computing & Technology Services - SUNY Buffalo State From: listsad...@lists.myitf

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

There's also the virtual labs. You no longer have to maintain special hardware. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:22 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Not to mention, the msdn sub-level required to get the other server products (exchange..) is $6,00 the first year and $2,600 renewal. Guess they want IT Pro's to pirate software so they can test it.. Depending on the workload, it has taken me longer than 180 days from initial install to ful

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I guess it will help you practice practice practice the migration from 180 day to 180 day trial versions! :) From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mott Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 2:51 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssm

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

I totally agree on that From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Spinelli, Robert J Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:32 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service Rod, I do a lot of m

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Rod, I do a lot of my testing on my laptop. I have a nice HyperV lab with my whole SCCM infrastructure on it for testing (32GB of Ram, 500GB SSD Drive). I used to fly around a lot and would do testing on the plane for example. How do you do that when I need to spin up a Windows Azure VM to ho

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

No, yes really. It appears they think we only need to test for 180 days at best. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:12 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut d

Re: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

How does an individual use Azure for testing, lab, etc.? I know they offer a free trial, but what is the cost compared to a couple hundred dollars for a TechNet subscription? Just curious. . . . Jeff On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Rod Trent wrote: > Not really, when you think about it. Tech

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Spinning up an Azure VM does not meet the requirement of MSDN software. I can't test on my hardware, in my data center, in my environment without MSDN or paying for software. Microsoft is going to push this Azure crap too hard and people are simply going to stop using MS software. People are he

RE: [mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

Not really, when you think about it. TechNet was used more for downloading software than any of the other benefits. You can spin-up a Windows Azure VM and test the same software now. No reason to have it on-premise for testing. Plus, the other options they are offering as replacements are all f

[mssms] OT: Microsoft to shut down TechNet subscription service

This is pretty terrible, TechNet yearly subscription was great. http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-to-shut-down-technet-subscription-service-717541/ Thank you. Robert Spinelli | CTS | GTI | 575 Washington Boulevard, Jersey City, NJ, 07310, United States| T: +1.201.595.6820 | C: +1.917.538.6192

RE: [mssms] WSUS Scan issue

Well size differs, but for us we did 1 and 8. That was old R2. We haven't touched the 2012 boxes and won't until we see IIS crack. _ Brian Mason MCTS, MS MVP ECM http://www.mnscug.org/ From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...

RE: [mssms] WSUS Scan issue

What's the setting you set for the Queue Length and Max worker Processes? /SAM From: br...@abetterpc.com To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] WSUS Scan issue Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:59:21 -0500 We pushed a few SUPs too hard. I know they got to around 37K clients each before they

RE: [mssms] WSUS Scan issue

We pushed a few SUPs too hard. I know they got to around 37K clients each before they started showing symptoms like you're having (IIS 7.5). One thing we did was to up the Queue Length and Max Worker Processes for the WSUS Pool. But that only helped a tad. It's yet to be seen how far IIS 8 can

Re: [mssms] RE: Sizing Question

And so I was wrong. :-( Typos courtesy of Apple. Sent from my iOS device. On Jul 1, 2013, at 11:51 AM, "Brian Mason" mailto:br...@abetterpc.com>> wrote: You can use an NLB for SUPs still by setting the default SUP using the SDK. We're not doing that; we're going with a shared DB simply becaus

RE: [mssms] RE: Sizing Question

You can use an NLB for SUPs still by setting the default SUP using the SDK. We're not doing that; we're going with a shared DB simply because it served us so well in CM07. There is simply no need for an NLB for MPs since MPs rotate so nicely now. Watch the ClientLocation.log and you'll see that

RE: [mssms] RE: Sizing Question

My understanding is that NLB is no longer supported for MPs in 2012. You can now just add up to 10 additional MPs per site to handle the traffic. What I saw Brian Mason talk about at MMS was still using NLBs for SUP. But I think I remember him saying it had to be setup via CLI. It was the MVP sessi

RE: [mssms] Sizing Question

David, One thing I'd point out: Don't use "lower performing storage" for the Content Library, and your package source. This can get hit pretty hard with large package distributions (eg. WIM files, Office, et al.). You should also consider this question: Are you planning on using default schedules

[mssms] RE: Sizing Question

I've heard Brain Mason talk about using them. He may be able to offer advice on this. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Crown, David T. (DTI) Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:18 AM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [mssms] RE: Sizing Qu

[mssms] RE: Sizing Question

The load balancers are already in production for a number of other core functions. They're there if I want to use them. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 10:04 To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [

[mssms] RE: USMT - Orphaned shortcuts

Thanks! I'll give this a try today. I am already using a config.xml to stop the migration of themes so I'm not too worried about user wallpaper and such. This icon thing has been a pain for me because it will really cause problems with the user. Dewayne From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [m

[mssms] RE: Sizing Question

For larger environments it's not a bad idea actually. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Dzikowski, Michael Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:37 AM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [mssms] RE: Sizing Question One thing I see is, you really

[mssms] RE: Sizing Question

Ok, cool. I don't know I how I got it in my head that I needed to put the MP's behind the load balancer. I know to go past 25K, I'll need at least two. I didn't know I could do a replica of the DB on the management points. I'll add in the replicas to help. Will a pair of unprotected DP's auto-l

[mssms] RE: Sizing Question

Install multiple management points at each primary site, and enable the sites to publish site data to your Active Directory infrastructure, and to DNS. Multiple management points help to load-balance the use of any single management point by multiple clients. In addition, you can install one or m

[mssms] RE: Sizing Question

One thing I see is, you really don't need the load balancers for your MP roles in ConfigMgr 2012. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Crown, David T. (DTI) Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:33 AM To: 'mssms@lists.myitforum.com' Subject: [mssms]

[mssms] Sizing Question

I know it being Monday and all, I'm wondering if you find folks wouldn't mind double checking my sizing. I changed roles with my employer, and the scale of the configmgr environment I'm used to supporting has grown quite a bit. I'm looking to migrate about 15K, scaling to a potential of 40K, cli

RE: [mssms] Problem with software update package seemingly corrupted

Did you also remove the update from the update group (2012) or update deployment (2007)? I don't think not doing so should cause the issue you are seeing, but since you didn't mention doing so, I wanted to ask. J From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On B

[mssms] RE: SCEP definition update

Definition Updates are only released three times a day to Windows Update/Microsoft Update (and thereby SCCM Update Points), while new definition updates are released continuously to the Malware Protection Center. If your run MpCMdRun.exe (the built-in updater for Windows Defender/Endpoint Prote

RE: [mssms] Upgrade Office 2010 to 2013 using CM12

Have you used the Office customization wizard to prepare Office 2013 for install? The OCW will allow you to define options on how to handle previous installations of older office products. One option is to completely uninstall previous versions. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc1790

[mssms] Upgrade Office 2010 to 2013 using CM12

Hello, I have a little issue, I`m in a middle of an Microsoft Office 2010 upgrade to Office 2013 ( in-place), using SCCM 2012. I have Microsoft Office 2013 package with 2 different Deployment Types, one for x86 and the other one for x64. As a Detection Method, for x86 I have {9015-0011-000

RE: [mssms] WSUS Scan issue

BUMP :( Anyone any idea's what could be happening? /SAM From: ronaldo.geo...@live.com To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [mssms] WSUS Scan issue Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:24:17 +0530 Hi All, For the past few days we are seeing a strange issue with WSUS Scan when clients are trying to SCAN