Re: [mb-style] What does primary artist really mean?

2006-02-28 Thread Chris Bransden
that we write what's on the cover. you replied to me directly and i messed up putting it back to the list. On 28/02/06, Cristov Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Without a definition what are you ordering. > > Also, this isn't a question of general use but one of style since it impacts > Feat

Re: [mb-style] What does primary artist really mean?

2006-02-28 Thread Cristov Russell
Without a definition what are you ordering. Also, this isn't a question of general use but one of style since it impacts FeaturedArtist and a number of other sytle related issues. Cristov (wolfsong) --- "Chris Bransden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Chris Bransden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date

Re: [mb-style] What does primary artist really mean?

2006-02-28 Thread Chris Bransden
it doesn't matter what level their contribution was. if it's an official album, then we represent what's on the cover. representing actual truth at all costs is not a road we can go down - i again cite milli vanilli. hell, maybe all the smashing pumpkins albums should be be credited to billy corgan

Re: [mb-style] What does primary artist really mean?

2006-02-28 Thread Cristov Russell
All true but not the point of the example. If for instance the cover said "featuring k.d. lang" my point is that it's still word choice. It speaks in no way shape or form to the extent of her contribution. Cristov (wolfsong) --- Lukáš Lalinský <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Lukáš Lalinský <[

Re: [mb-style] Additional square brackets Guideline request/suggestion

2006-02-28 Thread Age Bosma
Steve Wyles wrote: What do you think? Is there already a guideline for such special cases present in the wiki? http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/UntitledTrackStyle item 3 - For tracks that do not contain songs and that are not named by the artist, you can enter a descriptive name between bracket

Re: [mb-style] What does primary artist really mean?

2006-02-28 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Cristov Russell wrote: I'm not arguing that someone can be a guest on an entire release [1] but I would still say by definition this was a collaboration not a guest appearance. k.d. land was involved in the choice of songs and arrangements which fits the definition of collaboration. It's still

[mb-style] What does primary artist really mean?

2006-02-28 Thread Cristov Russell
So what would be an example of artificailly choosing a primary artist be? Under Pressure? As I recall, that was used repeatedly in the arguements preceeding SG5DR. I asked previously how we were defining primary artist and never got an answer. I don't see how the use of "and" or "&" are anymore

Re: [mb-style] Veto - DVD in album titles

2006-02-28 Thread Don Redman
OK, I am back and want to tackle a few things that have been lying around too long. On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:50:29 +0100, Björn Krombholz"" wrote: On 2/15/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I observe that there seems to be consensus in this matter. So, although Simon has not asked for a

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Brian Gurtler
Don Redman wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:07:46 +0100, Brian Gurtler wrote: > > BTW what is it instrument/other or instrument/wind/other? > > either one i suppose. this question shouldn't exist there are way too many categories ___ Musicbrainz-st

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Brian Gurtler
well why not remove all instruments that are currently not used- orphaned instruments? than set up a way to add instruments to be used in relationships. the database will build itself as they are needed. and in a perfect world should be quick and not stop the progress of entering the relationship i

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:07:46 +0100, Brian Gurtler wrote: i still don't believe that UI related issues are a good enough reason to exclude instruments. No indeed they are not. Actually there is a much bigger change waiting: Mo's restructured instrument tree. We really need to get this impl

RE: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread g0llum
> ok. your counter point is totally understandable to me now. No, it is not (see next paragraph) > i still don't believe that UI related issues are a good > enough reason to exclude instruments. [applause] ;) I can't believe how you try to sabotage a valid addition to the instruments list. It'

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Brian Gurtler
Matthew Exon wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Agreed. If the list gets unmanageable, > > > It's unmanageable *now*, is my point. Turn off JavaScript. I mean that > entirely seriously. Please, right now, turn off JavaScript in your > browser, and keep it like that for the next month.

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Lukas Lalinsky
On 2/28/06, Matthew Exon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Agreed. If the list gets unmanageable, > > It's unmanageable *now*, is my point. Turn off JavaScript. I mean that > entirely seriously. Please, right now, turn off JavaScript in your browser, > and keep it like tha

Re: [mailing] Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Marco Sola
Il Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:45 PM Matthew Exon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: Until then, we're stuck with the current system, and we shouldn't pretend it's anything other than a big drop down list containing every musical instrument ever devised. We should be disciplined about it, and re

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Matthew Exon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. If the list gets unmanageable, It's unmanageable *now*, is my point. Turn off JavaScript. I mean that entirely seriously. Please, right now, turn off JavaScript in your browser, and keep it like that for the next month. Websites should be usable without J

RE: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread g0llum
Agreed. If the list gets unmanageable, there's always the option to do a similar thing to the language dropdown. Show the top-N instruments by usage, and provide the full list upon request (or, more useful given the context, solve it with asynchronous calls (I won't use the buzz-word here)). If thi

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread azertus
Matthew Exon schreef: Brian Gurtler wrote: Does anyone have a good reason to not add an instrument that an artist plays? Yes. The more instruments get added, the longer the list of instruments gets, and the harder the drop-down list is to use. It's already far too long. Nope, that's exactly

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Brian Gurtler
Matthew Exon wrote: > Brian Gurtler wrote: > >> Does anyone have a good reason to not add an instrument that an artist >> plays? > > > Yes. The more instruments get added, the longer the list of instruments > gets, and the harder the drop-down list is to use. It's already far too > long. > >

Re: [mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Matthew Exon
Brian Gurtler wrote: Does anyone have a good reason to not add an instrument that an artist plays? Yes. The more instruments get added, the longer the list of instruments gets, and the harder the drop-down list is to use. It's already far too long. ___

[mb-style] add instrument request: vacuum cleaner

2006-02-28 Thread Brian Gurtler
I've entered this into trac a while ago (12/13/05) and now it's in MB limbo http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/63 anyhow.. not to get too far ahead of myself, i don't see any reason to be bashful with what instruments can be added into MB. Slowing down the addition of instruments slows down t