Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/20 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com Now when we don't have to actually create collab. artists, would you consider using say 2 composers as release artists instead of VA? Or has this side effects I don't know about? searched for a random release found

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Nikki
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Tjaijkovskij Bramhs is definitely better than VA IMO, although it tends to suggest that the release contains some work composed by both. What would be perfect (but will probably never happen) would be to be able to file a Release under n Artists rather than only

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Tjaijkovskij Bramhs is definitely better than VA IMO, although it tends to suggest that the release contains some work composed by both. What would be perfect (but will probably never happen) would be

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/20 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Tjaijkovskij Bramhs is definitely better than VA IMO, although it tends to suggest that the release contains some work composed by both. What would be

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 20 May 2011 09:57:57 +0200, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Tjaijkovskij Bramhs is definitely better than VA IMO, although it tends to suggest that the release contains some work composed by both. What would be perfect (but will probably never happen)

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:10:45 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/20 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com I'd suggest / , as that's what we use to separate other things and I'd like to start using it for tracks with multiple artists

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Nikki
Lukáš Lalinský wrote: I'd suggest / , as that's what we use to separate other things and I'd like to start using it for tracks with multiple artists (http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/TracksWithMultipleArtists). Exactly what I was thinking. I would use for tracks with multiple artists and split

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Pete Marsh
/ gets a +1 from me... p -Original Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: 20 May 2011 09:28 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA? Lukáš Lalinský

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-05-20 Thread Nikki
Aurélien Mino wrote: It was planned to add Arranger at work level too after NGS migration, exactly for this situation. See http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Next_Generation_Schema/Track_Relationships_Conversion#Artist-Track It just has not been added yet. I thought the upgrades script would do

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-05-20 Thread Nikki
Per Starbäck wrote: Are covers without lyrics its own work then? Like for instance Yesterday with Oscar Peterson: http://musicbrainz.org/recording/b0da13b6-12db-4391-9a2c-1dd26fb4cf3a Hmm... Not sure. I think I would probably still use the original work, the work still has lyrics even if

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-05-20 Thread lorenz pressler
and vice versa you can say the work of a cover where lyrics where added still has no lyrics. perfect solution imho would be an additional lyrics field on recording lvl. however i guess i could live with an own work-entry and work-work relationships in these cases although i personally won't credit

Re: [mb-style] RFC: The dates... designed only for duration, not for dating events

2011-05-20 Thread Alex Mauer
On 05/19/2011 08:47 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Maybe reformulate the sentences using the date field for some ARs such as composition. For example: composed between and But this would not solve the other issues. I think we need another field here to choose the correct

[mb-style] CSG: Use release artist ( group) field for performers

2011-05-20 Thread symphonick
Good people, can we finally move performers from the release title and to the artist field? Before: Release title: Symphonie Fantastique / Le Corsaire (Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra feat. conductor Gennady Rozhdestvensky) Release artist: Hector Berlioz Suggestion: Release title:

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread lorenz pressler
how big has the percentage of (tracks by n)/(totaltracks) [or (playtime by n)/(total playtime)] to be to justify an entry in the relase artist field? eg. Being John Malkovich score http://musicbrainz.org/release/15d15e38-08a2-4843-8af9-993dd5b399f5 is currently filed under Carter Burwell but has

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Use release artist ( group) field for performers

2011-05-20 Thread caramel
I vote YES 2011/5/20 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com Good people, can we finally move performers from the release title and to the artist field? Before: Release title: Symphonie Fantastique / Le Corsaire (Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra feat. conductor Gennady Rozhdestvensky)

Re: [mb-style] RFC: The dates... designed only for duration, not for dating events

2011-05-20 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 20 May 2011 17:50:51 +0200, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: I think it could be done with a single checkbox, named something like ‘indefinite’. start date + end date, no indefinite: “from to ” or “in/on ” if they’re the same start date + end date + indefinite:

Re: [mb-style] RFC: The dates... designed only for duration, not for dating events

2011-05-20 Thread Alex Mauer
On 05/20/2011 11:57 AM, caramel wrote: From to Present or Until are significant for a duration not to date an event (limited in time) You can already date an event by putting the same begin/end date. The “indefinite” attribute would take care of the examples you cited: If I enter

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Use release artist ( group) field for performers

2011-05-20 Thread lorenz pressler
composer has moved to work and performer to recording level as far as is i understood so is there no more way to mark these artist in their position on release level? i hoped it would be possible with NGS to let the user pick (for tagging purposes) which artist (performer, conductor, composer)

Re: [mb-style] RFC: The dates... designed only for duration, not for dating events

2011-05-20 Thread Nikki
symphonick wrote: We would still need extra dates for something that has been recorded say 7-11th may AND 24-26th of June. Surely using two relationships solves that? Nikki ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Lauri Watts
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 6:27 PM, lorenz pressler l...@gmx.at wrote: how big has the percentage of (tracks by n)/(totaltracks) [or (playtime by n)/(total playtime)] to be to justify an entry in the relase artist field? Enough they got their name on the cover. eg. Being John Malkovich score

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Use release artist ( group) field for performers

2011-05-20 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 20 May 2011 18:57:41 +0200, lorenz pressler l...@gmx.at wrote: composer has moved to work and performer to recording level as far as is i understood so is there no more way to mark these artist in their position on release level? i hoped it would be possible with NGS to let the

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Use release artist ( group) field for performers

2011-05-20 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 20 May 2011 22:07:19 +0200, A. VanValin meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com wrote: pMaybe with a different separator to distinguish composers from performers?/p pAlex / caller#6/p there seems to be consensus on slash in the less VA-thread /symphonick

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Extends Wikipedia Relationship Type to entity Work

2011-05-20 Thread Nikki
More than 48 hours have passed without any objections, so this has now passed. I'll add the relationship now. Nikki Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: Murdos' proposal seems to be universally liked and there's no sense waiting for a week, so I'm putting it as RFV (with warp's approval). It

[mb-style] Post-NGS: Best way to handle pre-digital releases w/ DiscIDs

2011-05-20 Thread Rob Keeney
but no release date or label information). What are my alternatives? Regards, Rob... P84 __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6139 (20110520) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Use release artist ( group) field for performers

2011-05-20 Thread lorenz pressler
symphonick wrote: Sounds like a Picard issue to me? To be able to select which recording AR(s) should be used for tagging (regardless of whether you tag from recording names or release traclist?) not exactly. i don't want to have to set for every album i tag the appropriate fields. i

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Use release artist ( group) field for performers

2011-05-20 Thread A. VanValin
pUnderstood. Sorry, what I meant was something like/p pComposer1/ composer2 (some other separator) performer1/ performer2/p pJust a thought. /p pAlex / caller#6/p pSorry for the top posting. New phone, inept user/p ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list

[mb-style] RFC: Add Secondhandsongs Relationship Type

2011-05-20 Thread Aurélien Mino
This is a proposal [1] to allow linking our works to their matching pages in the Secondhandsongs database. For those who are not aware of it, it's a database dedicated to cover songs (and also samples). It offers interesting information for each work: - composer, lyricist or writer -

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Lauri Watts
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:47 PM, lorenz pressler l...@gmx.at wrote: Lauri Watts wrote: Enough they got their name on the cover. http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/file/n3539408/bravohits37.jpg http://imageshack.us/m/703/1612/bravohits37.jpg i would hate to see 7 or more artists as