Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-114: Soundtrack style

2012-06-05 Thread Nikki
I'm not happy with the separators for artist credits *always* being comma (comma ...) ampersand. Punctuation varies by language and script, so what works fine for your Western soundtracks will look horribly unnatural in other places. Japanese, for example, doesn't write lists in that way, so I

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread SwissChris
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 06/05/2012 01:05 PM, lixobix wrote: > > I think these issues are addressed in part in > > http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-799 > > It looks like quite a big change, so don't expect anything for a while. > > I think that’s quite a bit

Re: [mb-style] New allmusic.com URLs

2012-06-05 Thread Johannes Weißl
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:54:27PM -0700, rafwuk wrote: > Interestingly, the editor won't allow "Add URL" edits in the new > format - I had to add one in the old format and then edit it. Yes, but this will (probably) be fixed in the next version when my patch for http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/bro

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: (Film) titles within titles...

2012-06-05 Thread jhamdotme
When the title doesn't include a subtitle, or when it isn’t otherwise delimited by some other punctuation, I think it looks best when the film’s title is encapsulated in quotation marks. It helps to set everything off and it makes it immediately apparent what the film’s title is. With option 2, Tit

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread Simon Austin
On 05/06/2012 19:05, lixobix wrote: > Long term, once performance date and location are fully supported I expect > this information will be writable to tags. Migration will be fairly simple > for releases using correct live bootleg style. However, many already contain > incorrect data in the releas

Re: [mb-style] New allmusic.com URLs

2012-06-05 Thread rafwuk
jw wrote > > it seems allmusic.com changed their URLs and their preferred ID system > (thanks to Nicolás for telling me). Is anybody against using the new > IDs? It seems over the top to have both in the database... > > Interestingly, the editor won't allow "Add URL" edits in the new format -

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread lixobix
Alex Mauer wrote > > On 06/05/2012 01:05 PM, lixobix wrote: >> I think these issues are addressed in part in >> http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-799 >> It looks like quite a big change, so don't expect anything for a while. > > I think that’s quite a bit different: It’s all about venues

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-06-05 Thread lixobix
Kuno Woudt wrote > > As I said earlier, I think the vast majority of people use EP and > mini-album to mean the same thing, it is very difficult and often > impossible to distinguish them, so I am not convinced that having > mini-album separate from EP is useful. > Are you concerned that use

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/05/2012 01:05 PM, lixobix wrote: > I think these issues are addressed in part in > http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-799 > It looks like quite a big change, so don't expect anything for a while. I think that’s quite a bit different: It’s all about venues and steps in the production p

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread lixobix
Alex Mauer wrote > > +1. Note that this affects things other than digital bootlegs (or > bootlegs at all. Many older releases (mostly 78s) have recording date > information available (from record company sesion logs/matrix catalogs, > I believe), but finding the release date is much harder or

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-06-05 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 05/06/12 11:56, lixobix wrote: > This is exactly why I think adding new a primary type is the best idea, at > least for now. No schema change required. Does anyone have a serious > objection to 'mini-album' as a primary type? Yes. As I said earlier, I think the vast majority of people

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-06-05 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 05/06/12 14:34, lixobix wrote: > I don't think having them as secondary type works. You couldn't have > mini-album + live for e.g. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_a_Blood_Red_Sky Why not? you can select only one primary type, but you can select multiple secondary types. -- kuno

Re: [mb-style] New allmusic.com URLs

2012-06-05 Thread Johannes Weißl
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 09:19:02AM +0200, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > > Is anybody against using the new IDs? It seems over the top to have > > both in the database... > > Sounds to me as the obvious thing to do. Hmm, there is a comment in http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17879855: > For works

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: (Film) titles within titles...

2012-06-05 Thread Ryan Torchia
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > > I would like to see a lot more examples and some consideration of how > various cover artwork handles it before leaping to a “use quotation > marks” conclusion. Also it should be taken into account that quotation > marks don’t work well for al

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: (Film) titles within titles...

2012-06-05 Thread Ryan Torchia
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:15 PM, SwissChris wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > >> On 06/04/2012 06:55 AM, Ryan Torchia wrote: >> > >> > This would also affect some of the titles. Should we go with: >> > 1) Title Music From a Clockwork Orange >> > 2) Title Music From

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-06-05 Thread refresh_daemon
lixobix wrote > > This is exactly why I think adding new a primary type is the best idea, at > least for now. No schema change required. Does anyone have a serious > objection to 'mini-album' as a primary type? > Not me, as long as there is clear instruction on what to do with ambiguous release

Re: [mb-style] How to credit mashups?

2012-06-05 Thread Andii Hughes
On 5 June 2012 09:25, Kuno Woudt wrote: > On 05/06/12 10:24, Kuno Woudt wrote: >> If they're credited like that on the release, the artist credits for the >> track should not deviate from that.  For the recording however I think >> it makes sense to always credit that to the remixer/mashup artist,

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread Simon Austin
On 05/06/2012 10:48, lixobix wrote: > I'm aware what the guidelines say. What I'm getting at is that for most > digital concert boots the best we are ever going to get to a release date is > an estimate, and no geographical location (thus 'worldwide' as Kuno states). > I find it annoying to always

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/05/2012 04:48 AM, lixobix wrote: > I'm aware what the guidelines say. What I'm getting at is that for most > digital concert boots the best we are ever going to get to a release date is > an estimate, and no geographical location (thus 'worldwide' as Kuno states). > I find it annoying to alwa

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-06-05 Thread lixobix
jesus2099 wrote > > Yes either these two primary types (mini album and ep) or keeping the > current EP for eps and adding both MINI and MAXI secondary types that can > apply mostly on albums and singles. > Those mean smaller and larger terms that Kepstin used. > I don't think having them as sec

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-06-05 Thread jesus2099
Yes either these two primary types (mini album and ep) or keeping the current EP for eps and adding both MINI and MAXI secondary types that can apply mostly on albums and singles. Those mean smaller and larger terms that Kepstin used. - mb : http://musicbrainz.org/user/jesus2099 mb userscripts

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-06-05 Thread lixobix
Calvin Walton-2 wrote > > *The current MuiscBrainz schema does not support "subtypes" - adding > them would require a schema change.* > > Our current "secondary type" implementation is only for secondary types > that could apply in combination with any one of the primary types and > any other se

Re: [mb-style] Live bootleg release dates and countries

2012-06-05 Thread lixobix
Kuno Woudt wrote > > Obviously if something is released that happens on a particular day > (well, I can imagine edge cases). I think bootleg concert recordings > are nowadays posted online very soon after the concert (X hours). So, > if you do not know the exact release date, you can still b

Re: [mb-style] How to credit mashups?

2012-06-05 Thread Kuno Woudt
On 05/06/12 10:24, Kuno Woudt wrote: > If they're credited like that on the release, the artist credits for the > track should not deviate from that. For the recording however I think > it makes sense to always credit that to the remixer/mashup artist, and I > would support a guideline which recom

Re: [mb-style] How to credit mashups?

2012-06-05 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 04/06/12 22:53, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 06/04/2012 02:48 PM, Staffan Vilcans wrote: >> The way to credit mashups (a mix of two or more different tracks) is not >> consistent. At >> http://musicbrainz.org/release/93cfdc1b-b7b5-496f-aab9-aa46bf891601 the >> remixer is used as artist while o

Re: [mb-style] New allmusic.com URLs

2012-06-05 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Johannes Weißl wrote: > Hello, > > it seems allmusic.com changed their URLs and their preferred ID system > (thanks to Nicolás for telling me). Is anybody against using the new > IDs? It seems over the top to have both in the database... > > URL cleanup patch: http: