Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
th1rtyf0ur wrote > We'll still need to drop the 'bootlegs' from the page title > though, & possible replace it with another word- 'Live recordings' would > be my first idea, but that may be misinterpreted to only apply to > Recordings in the MB sense... Live concerts? > > http://wiki.musicbrainz.o

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
What is the RG title where the RG contains a titled official release and an untitled bootleg? -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-228-updates-to-Live-Bootlegs-guide-tp4655901p4656522.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at N

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
Tom Crocker wrote > mbwiki mbwiki, one in each box Thanks :) -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-230-Recording-Title-Guidelines-tp4656111p4656521.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
Tom Crocker wrote > mbwiki mbwiki, one in each box > > I don't personally think we need to shelve those rfcs. The live one is > already a big improvement on what's there and a complete reorganisation > will take months if not years at the pace things move on the style list. I > think it's best to

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Crocker
mbwiki mbwiki, one in each box I don't personally think we need to shelve those rfcs. The live one is already a big improvement on what's there and a complete reorganisation will take months if not years at the pace things move on the style list. I think it's best to allow the other pages to chang

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
Tom Crocker wrote > I agree that we could do a lot to reorganise and consolidate the structure > of the guidelines. I imagine that most of the classical guidelines can be > applied to all releases, with some exceptions such as using composer as > the > Artist. When I first started looking around I

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Crocker
I agree that we could do a lot to reorganise and consolidate the structure of the guidelines. I imagine that most of the classical guidelines can be applied to all releases, with some exceptions such as using composer as the Artist. When I first started looking around I got frustrated at the number

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
The way all this applies to this RFC is that we should consider which, if any, title rules apply to recordings that do not apply to all other entities. Do we need a separate guide for recording titles, or can we append any necessary rules to http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Recording? -- View th

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
...and because we don't define what our entities are at the beginning of the style guide, it's unclear at various points which rules apply to which entities. On http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles "Recording" is mentioned once, "Work" not at all, so it's not clear at present whether the rules t

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread Alex Mauer
On 2013-08-07 09:38, lixobix wrote: > What I'm getting at is that http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles should > not mention any specific entities, but should apply to all entities. Rules > that apply to specific entities should be placed in the relevant section. > Perhaps "Titles" should be rena

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
What I'm getting at is that http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles should not mention any specific entities, but should apply to all entities. Rules that apply to specific entities should be placed in the relevant section. Perhaps "Titles" should be renamed "General rules for titles". -- View t

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
Alex Mauer wrote > On 2013-08-07 08:45, lixobix wrote: >> For example, I don't understand why "Format designations in titles" is on >> there, as that is a specific rule for release titles, not a general rule >> for >> all titles: it's not something I need to know when I'm doing titles for >> tracks

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
Alex Mauer wrote > On 2013-08-07 08:45, lixobix wrote: >> For example, I don't understand why "Format designations in titles" is on >> there, as that is a specific rule for release titles, not a general rule >> for >> all titles: it's not something I need to know when I'm doing titles for >> tracks

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread Alex Mauer
On 2013-08-07 08:45, lixobix wrote: > For example, I don't understand why "Format designations in titles" is on > there, as that is a specific rule for release titles, not a general rule for > all titles: it's not something I need to know when I'm doing titles for > tracks or recordings. Similarly,

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
...and whilst I'm at it... Why do we even have s8-11 on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style? Why are the relevant parts not integrated into s1-7? I don't see why we have completely separate guidelines for a number of particular instances, when the principles in each are mostly similar or identical. Fo

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
Also, we have no "Works" guidelines for non-classical. Might as well do that at the same time as sorting everything else out. http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-230-Recording-Title-Guidelines-tp4656111p4656498.ht

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
In fact, half of the guidelines on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles should probably be moved to specific sections, as they do not apply across the board. For example, I don't understand why "Format designations in titles" is on there, as that is a specific rule for release titles, not a gen

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread lixobix
Having skimmed through this RFC, and looking in conjunction with http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Th1rtyf0ur/Style/Specific_types_of_releases/Live_bootlegs, http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles, and http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles/Extra_title_information, I'm now getting confused. It se

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
It is off the point, but it reminds that there is some level of correction required, so that all in all, I believe I'd rather keep it. But Tom raises a point: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Miscellaneous could mention ellipsis. Giving all the typographical rules would be difficult as they change