Re: [mb-style] RFV STYLE-225: packaging: slipcover, book, cassette case, box

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
LordSputnik wrote Yeah I disagree about using the outermost packaging, because, for example, I'd much rather know that a CD came in a digipak than know the CD had a slipcover. They're both useful to know, but different people will have different preferences for which should be recorded. Could

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
th1rtyf0ur wrote On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:08:30AM -0700, lixobix wrote: One minor point: The second sentence in the description for city should be removed (Additional disambiguation should be given...) as the disambiguation is now included in state. Perhaps move the example to state, just

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
I'd prefer it if items were more optional and we trusted to common sense (or altered and voted where we disagreed with what someone else had done). I don't see the benefit in adding a 'Venue', 'City' or 'State' to Glastonbury festival or Rock Am Ring. I'd also prefer it if there was a summary of

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
1) Wouldn't it be better to move the live recordings section from Style/Recording to here, rather than referencing Style/Recording? 2) There's still the issue th1rtyf0ur highlighted in the RFC: what happens when two tracks contain different ETI, or one has none? Do we keep both/it?

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
1) is probably dependent on the outcome of the live RFC 2) is covered by the rule, select the recording title based on the most common track title. If it includes ETI, keep it. (in other words, if it's in one track title and not in two track titles, you wouldn't keep it (assuming the main bit was

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
Tom Crocker wrote I'd prefer it if items were more optional and we trusted to common sense (or altered and voted where we disagreed with what someone else had done). I don't see the benefit in adding a 'Venue', 'City' or 'State' to Glastonbury festival or Rock Am Ring. Something like: Live

Re: [mb-style] RFV STYLE-225: packaging: slipcover, book, cassette case, box

2013-08-27 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
Book and Cassette Case are in now. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
On 27 August 2013 11:58, lixobix arjtap...@aol.com wrote: Tom Crocker wrote I'd prefer it if items were more optional and we trusted to common sense (or altered and voted where we disagreed with what someone else had done). I don't see the benefit in adding a 'Venue', 'City' or 'State' to

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
Tom Crocker wrote 1) is probably dependent on the outcome of the live RFC 2) is covered by the rule, select the recording title based on the most common track title. If it includes ETI, keep it. (in other words, if it's in one track title and not in two track titles, you wouldn't keep it

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
On Aug 27, 2013 12:11 PM, lixobix arjtap...@aol.com wrote: Tom Crocker wrote 1) is probably dependent on the outcome of the live RFC 2) is covered by the rule, select the recording title based on the most common track title. If it includes ETI, keep it. (in other words, if it's in one

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-27 Thread Ben Ockmore
1) This is going to be merged into Style/Recording if the proposal succeeds (see the first sentence in the wiki page). I'm with Tom - we should change the live recordings section as little as possible while the other proposal is going on. 2) If it's a 50/50 split, it doesn't really matter which

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
Tom Crocker wrote 2) What about a 50/50 split? Leave it to user discretion? http://musicbrainz.org/recording/a948c4ab-cc2e-4419-bb62-6a59c6899726 That recording looks like it only has one track, but my memory was Consistent Original Data said use the most common and if there's a tie, use

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-27 Thread Sheamus Patt
On 13-08-27 06:23 AM, lixobix wrote: th1rtyf0ur wrote On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:08:30AM -0700, lixobix wrote: One minor point: The second sentence in the description for city should be removed (Additional disambiguation should be given...) as the disambiguation is now included in state.

[mb-style] RFC: STYLE-240: add whosampled to other db whitelist

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
Expected RFV: 2013-09-03 20:00 UTC Whosampled.com is a moderated database of samples, covers and interpolations. It describes the links between 'tracks' (basically our recordings) with details of when the samples appear and linked videos. Contributions are only displayed after being checked by a

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines, ETI exception

2013-08-27 Thread caller#6
On 08/26/2013 03:02 PM, LordSputnik wrote: This is the RFV for the proposal to introduce a guideline for choosing the recording title. It also specifies what to do with ETI. Proposal: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:LordSputnik/Proposals/Recording_Title ... extra title information should be

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines, ETI exception

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
Although I wouldn't be opposed to that change I expect someone would! I think it will be very rare that bonus track distinguishes a track from another with the same title, so it probably shouldn't be entered as track ETI either. Same goes for explicit (if it's there as a warning rather than to

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines, ETI exception

2013-08-27 Thread Jazzy Jarilith
I don't think that bonus track is a relevant information enough. It's just a marketing trick to make you buy the record on first release. More often than not, those bonus tracks stick to the subsequent re-issues, removing the it's rare! effect usually associated with them. :-) 2013/8/27 Tom

Re: [mb-style] RFV: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines, ETI exception

2013-08-27 Thread Ben Ockmore
I wouldn't count (bonus track) as ETI, based on http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Titles/Extra_title_information. However, it could be part of the track title, you're right. Same for explicit (although that sort of marks a version of the song, if there's a clean version, and could be more

[mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread LordSputnik
So, Caller#6 brought up the issue of things like (bonus track) in the title. This isn't really ETI (it doesn't distinguish anything), but under the proposal it would get copied into the recording title. My suggestion would be to add this on the end: ... Parts of the chosen track title which

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 08/27/2013 10:13 PM, LordSputnik wrote: So, Caller#6 brought up the issue of things like (bonus track) in the title. This isn't really ETI (it doesn't distinguish anything), but under the proposal it would get copied into the recording title. My suggestion would be to add this on

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread Ben Ockmore
It probably would be against the new guideline, yes, and it is intended (there isn't really a good reason for putting it in one or the other). ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
Sheamus Patt wrote Yes, state should definitely be included for those countries that commonly use it. I don't like USA and Canada being exceptions here where it's mandatory, but I don't have a good alternative. Perhaps we could just say State (or province) should be included where it's

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-240: add whosampled to other db whitelist

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
Looks good to me. -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-240-add-whosampled-to-other-db-whitelist-tp4657248p4657259.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
On Aug 27, 2013 9:43 PM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: Hello, On 08/27/2013 10:13 PM, LordSputnik wrote: So, Caller#6 brought up the issue of things like (bonus track) in the title. This isn't really ETI (it doesn't distinguish anything), but under the proposal it would get copied into

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
Tom Crocker wrote To me, this is more a question of what the track title should be. I don't use iTunes so I don't know if they put that splash on every explicit track. If not, then I'd have thought it goes with the track as ETI. Looking at listings on other sites and Puddy Suspectz soundcloud

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-240: add whosampled to other db whitelist

2013-08-27 Thread lixobix
+1 :) -- View this message in context: http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-240-add-whosampled-to-other-db-whitelist-tp4657248p4657263.html Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MusicBrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-240: add whosampled to other db whitelist

2013-08-27 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Tom Crocker tomcrockerm...@gmail.comwrote: Is that a +1? :-) Dunno, but this is: +1 -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread Duke Yin
About iTunes: iTunes isn't always consistent, but in their m4a tagging standard they define a metadata field to indicating the quality of the lyrics: - Explicit - Clean (used for edits / censoring) - (none) This is what the iTunes store/website displays at the track level. I don't know what

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:09 AM, lixobix arjtap...@aol.com wrote: Tom Crocker wrote To me, this is more a question of what the track title should be. I don't use iTunes so I don't know if they put that splash on every explicit track. If not, then I'd have thought it goes with the track

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-230 - Recording Title Guidelines #2

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
I think it depends on context. In a case like this with two versions it can distinguish, so providing it's shown I'd expect it to be included as ETI. If it's just general info about the track, with no attempt to disambiguate, I'd suggest it was dropped. But that's tricky because the context is not

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-240: add whosampled to other db whitelist

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Crocker
Thank you both! On Aug 27, 2013 11:14 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Tom Crocker tomcrockerm...@gmail.comwrote: Is that a +1? :-) Dunno, but this is: +1 -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-228 updates to Live Bootlegs guide

2013-08-27 Thread Sheamus Patt
On 13-08-27 05:55 PM, lixobix wrote: Sheamus Patt wrote Yes, state should definitely be included for those countries that commonly use it. I don't like USA and Canada being exceptions here where it's mandatory, but I don't have a good alternative. Perhaps we could just say State (or province)