Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-31 Thread Jan van Thiel
On 1/31/06, Björn Krombholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I do hope that we target a limited audience and keep the data within a well defined (which is currently not the case) scope. Personally I think we already exceeded the scope with audio books and similar stuff. All this, while we

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-31 Thread Matthew Exon
Jan van Thiel wrote: Yes, I agree. We need a document decscribing what should and should not be added to the database, covering artists, albums, non-album tracks and ARs. What is a homebrew? When to add a non-album track? Is a TV-show rip OK? Do we add not-yet-completed albums, to which tracks

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-31 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:35:54 +0100, Steve Wyles wrote: The alternative is that there will be less of the quick decisions and more of the OK, sum the debate up and then the Elder will decide mails. This means more work for you, but it also means you are in control of the arguments that get

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-31 Thread Robert Kaye
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Steve Wyles wrote: As you just mentioned, Rob hadn't seen the emails on the subject, therefore he is possibly making a decision on a whim without seeing the whole discussion. Just to clarify, I told Don that I would need to read up more on the list and that I

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Chris Bransden
Agreed. Personally I think all 'non musical' relationships would be better suited to annotations. Even better, annotations that can contain hyperlinks to other musicbrainz artist pages, should they exist. I think if we try to recognise every single relationship one entity can have with another,

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Steve Wyles
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Chris Bransden wrote: Agreed. Personally I think all 'non musical' relationships would be better suited to annotations. Even better, annotations that can contain hyperlinks to other musicbrainz artist pages, should they exist. Erm, and how is that any different from

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Chris Bransden
On 30/01/06, Steve Wyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Chris Bransden wrote: Agreed. Personally I think all 'non musical' relationships would be better suited to annotations. Even better, annotations that can contain hyperlinks to other musicbrainz artist pages, should they

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Matthew Exon
Steve Wyles wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Björn Krombholz wrote: On 1/29/06, Steve Wyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that if there is a direct relationship where ONE of the 'artists' is 'musically' required, we should create relationships to one level. We wouldn't go further and add more

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Steve Wyles
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Chris Bransden wrote: On 30/01/06, Steve Wyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Chris Bransden wrote: Agreed. Personally I think all 'non musical' relationships would be better suited to annotations. Even better, annotations that can contain hyperlinks to

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Jan van Thiel
On 1/30/06, Steve Wyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, we can only show both parents of an artist if both of them would be in the database for another reason. An example here is: http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=40437 which shows both parents and

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Steve Wyles
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Jan van Thiel wrote: On 1/30/06, Steve Wyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, we can only show both parents of an artist if both of them would be in the database for another reason. An example here is: http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=40437 which

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Michel Rudoy
All the marrying information stuff is not relevant for ME, but I'm sure it is relevant for many other people, so why not include it as part of the database? I can't argue the fact that wifes and husbands are part of the artists lifes, so if someone is looking for information about the artist

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:37:22 +0100, Matthew Exon wrote: I've made this point before, but maybe it's worth repeating here, because it still bugs me... The problem I have with the marriage relationship is that it's not something where MusicBrainz can aspire to completeness. Because of the

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Don Redman
Robert and me talked on the telephone today, and I asked him what he thinks about this. He said that he does not like the idea that possibly thousands of nonmusical artist get added to the db, just because they were maried to a musician. This is pretty close to an official ruling. It would

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Steve Wyles
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Don Redman wrote: Robert and me talked on the telephone today, and I asked him what he thinks about this. He said that he does not like the idea that possibly thousands of nonmusical artist get added to the db, just because they were maried to a musician. This decision

Re: [mb-style] PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass the goal of MB

2006-01-30 Thread Björn Krombholz
On 1/31/06, Steve Wyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Don Redman wrote: Robert and me talked on the telephone today, and I asked him what he thinks about this. He said that he does not like the idea that possibly thousands of nonmusical artist get added to the db, just