Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-18 Thread Chris B
On 18/05/07, Arty Lee Smokes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not interested in what an artist is called now, but what was on the label when a recording was first issued. People will be telling me that the Purple Rain soundtracks was released by TAFKAP. Please tell me that if I look up "Morning Has

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-18 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
Actually this _is_ probably a matter much easier solved by (lots) of changes to the database. We'd probably need an "artist" object that can have many names (both in sequence, for name changes, and in parallel, for aliases maybe). Releases could be linked to that generic artist. Their "artist nam

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2007/5/18, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 5/18/07, Robert Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bogdan -- > > As I've said, this proposal doesn't apply to this problem. It's not > > concerned with _how_ to handle name changes. > > > > The only thing it does is that _when_ editors decide

[mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-18 Thread Arty Lee Smokes
From: "Rob Keeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The fact that an artist wants to go back and change their past should not create a constraint on MB. Another illustrative example that I'm more familiar with is Wendy (nee Walter) Carlos. While I respect her wishes to be now known as Wendy even to the poi

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-18 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
On 5/18/07, Robert Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bogdan -- > As I've said, this proposal doesn't apply to this problem. It's not > concerned with _how_ to handle name changes. > > The only thing it does is that _when_ editors decide to keep both > names in the database, and _only_ if it's a

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-18 Thread Chris B
On 18/05/07, Rob Keeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The fact that an artist wants to go back and change their past should not create a constraint on MB. Another illustrative example that I'm more familiar with is Wendy (nee Walter) Carlos. While I respect her wishes to be now known as Wendy even t

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-17 Thread Robert Stockton
Rob -- The fact that an artist wants to go back and change their past should not create a constraint on MB. Another illustrative example that I'm more familiar with is Wendy (nee Walter) Carlos. While I respect her wishes to be now known as Wendy even to the point of re-releasing her old catal

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-17 Thread Rob Keeney
The fact that an artist wants to go back and change their past should not create a constraint on MB. Another illustrative example that I'm more familiar with is Wendy (nee Walter) Carlos. While I respect her wishes to be now known as Wendy even to the point of re-releasing her old catalog unde her

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-17 Thread Robert Stockton
Bogdan -- As I've said, this proposal doesn't apply to this problem. It's not concerned with _how_ to handle name changes. The only thing it does is that _when_ editors decide to keep both names in the database, and _only_ if it's a clear name-change (ie, no band-splits and other "unusual" situ

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-17 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
As I've said, this proposal doesn't apply to this problem. It's not concerned with _how_ to handle name changes. The only thing it does is that _when_ editors decide to keep both names in the database, and _only_ if it's a clear name-change (ie, no band-splits and other "unusual" situations), no

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-17 Thread Robert Stockton
Folks -- I'm also quite concerned about this proposal, and what it means to artists who have changed their names during their careers *and chosen to retroactively apply that name to their earlier recordings*. The artist that I've spent the most time looking at is the Irish performer who was

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-11 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
I think an important element of my initial proposal was ignored in the discussion---though maybe I didn't express it very well: The point is, I'm _not_ trying to create a guideline for "what to do with a band's releases when the band changes name". That's for the editors and artist subscribers t

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-11 Thread Chris B
On 11/05/07, Brian Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What you describe here means: This new AR would introduce a serious change > in semantics into the MB database. I believe it is crucial to collect > these bands and possible issues and to do some serious testing on > test.mb.org

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-11 Thread Olivier
2007/5/11, Brian Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What you describe here means: This new AR would introduce a serious change > in semantics into the MB database. I believe it is crucial to collect > these bands and possible issues and to do some serious testing on > test.mb.org

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-11 Thread Chris B
On 07/05/07, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! There was a discussion a while ago about bands changing their names. I can't find it now, and I'd like to revive the discussion. In short, I propose we add a new artist-to-artist AR to reflect bands changing their names. The relationsh

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-10 Thread Brian Schweitzer
What you describe here means: This new AR would introduce a serious change in semantics into the MB database. I believe it is crucial to collect these bands and possible issues and to do some serious testing on test.mb.org . How will the artist pages look like? will they st

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-10 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 07 May 2007 13:08:41 +0200, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: Hi! There was a discussion a while ago about bands changing their names. I can't find it now, and I'd like to revive the discussion. In short, I propose we add a new artist-to-artist AR to reflect bands changing their names. The relati

Re: [mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-07 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 5/7/07, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The relationship phrases would be "X changed its name [on date] to Y"/"Y was called X [until date]". Sounds great! -Aaron ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

[mb-style] RFC: "changed name to" AR

2007-05-07 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
Hi! There was a discussion a while ago about bands changing their names. I can't find it now, and I'd like to revive the discussion. In short, I propose we add a new artist-to-artist AR to reflect bands changing their names. The relationship phrases would be "X changed its name [on date] to Y"/