Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-06 Thread Chad Wilson
Jim DeLaHunt wrote: We may then discover that we really ''don't'' have consensus on how a Type 1 AR behaves. That is the problem I'm referring to; we probably /don't/ have consensus. I don't think you'll ever get that about any "interesting" style issue around here; everyone has their person

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-06 Thread Jim DeLaHunt
Bram: Bram van Dijk wrote: > > Moreover, as the consensus seems to be that there is a consensus we > could stop discussing start adding this to the documentation. > I sympathise with frustration at how unfocussed this all seems to be. But there is a process for getting focus and reaching

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-06 Thread Bram van Dijk
Chris B schreef: to be honest, i think this is a DBA issue. i mean, it's for ruoak and/or lukz or whoever (sorry i know there are many involved but yes!) to say how ARs relate to tracks. i can only look at it is from a display issue and say what should be represented (which is where the previous

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-06 Thread Bram van Dijk
Barry Platt schreef: There is a list of all the different Track/Release AR types on my wiki page http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BarryPlatt which categorizes the ARs into three types. * Type 1 ARs are nominally track-level but would be considered to apply to a subset of tracks on a release if

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-06 Thread Chris B
On 05/02/2008, Brian Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given that we just spent such a long time debating the concept, I was > rather surprised this morning. > > http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8315416 > > An editor was adding 2 ARs to a release. Based on the long discussion > we ju

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Barry Platt
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 20:41 -0800, David K. Gasaway wrote: > I was left with the impression that there was a general consensus on > the meaning of the ARs, but that the current UI is deficient. I > assumed we'd continue as we are currently until something like Brian's > mockups could be implem

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread David K. Gasaway
On 5 Feb 2008 at 13:00, Brian Schweitzer wrote: > Yet dmppanda is responding that this guidance is incorrect, and > suggesting that nothing at all was decided. I was left with the impression that there was a general consensus on the meaning of the ARs, but that the current UI is deficient. I a

RE: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Brant Gibbard
> My opinion: this kind of thing will go on and on until the > style gurus/overlords start playing a more active part in > discussions and making it easier to bring things to a > conclusion in line with development plans; and facilitate the > necessary changes being made to the documentation. O

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Jim DeLaHunt
Folks: Brian Schweitzer wrote: > > Given that we just spent such a long time debating the concept, I was > rather surprised this morning. dmppanda is responding that this > guidance [to attach performance ARs to tracks not the release] is > incorrect, and suggesting that nothing at all was

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Chad Wilson
Philip Jägenstedt wrote: I may be deluded, but I do think there was something similar to the consensus to apply AR:s to the track level when we know it to be true of each track. What release level AR:s means still isn't very clear to me, even if I have a firm opinion on what it ought to mean (bas

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Barry Platt
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 22:19 +0100, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > I may be deluded, but I do think there was something similar to the > consensus to apply AR:s to the track level when we know it to be true > of each track. What release level AR:s means still isn't very clear to > me, even if I have a

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
I may be deluded, but I do think there was something similar to the consensus to apply AR:s to the track level when we know it to be true of each track. What release level AR:s means still isn't very clear to me, even if I have a firm opinion on what it ought to mean (basically what cooperaa just s

Re: [mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 5-Feb-08, at 1:00 PM, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Given that we just spent such a long time debating the concept, I was rather surprised this morning. http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8315416 An editor was adding 2 ARs to a release. Based on the long discussion we just recently had, I

[mb-style] The meaning of an AR

2008-02-05 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Given that we just spent such a long time debating the concept, I was rather surprised this morning. http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8315416 An editor was adding 2 ARs to a release. Based on the long discussion we just recently had, I suggested that, since he had the information to do s