Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-11 Thread Anil Gupte
not sure if that matters. Thanx, Anil Gupte - Original Message - From: Mike Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Development of mythtv mythtv-dev@mythtv.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea ___ mythtv-dev

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-11 Thread David Whyte
On 7/11/05, Anil Gupte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, but what is the All method? As stated earlier in this thread by Mike Dean: Myth currently supports: 1) Blank frame 2) Scene change 3) Blank frame with scene change 4) Logo (the little channel identifier logo) 255) All

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-07 Thread Michael T. Dean
Mike Benoit wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 09:29 -0400, James Armstrong wrote: Myth currently supports: 1) Blank frame 2) Scene change 3) Blank frame with scene change 4) Logo (the little channel identifier logo) 255) All (combines all the above--basically blank frame with scene

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-07 Thread James Armstrong
Mac Michaels wrote: On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:29 am, James Armstrong wrote: Does the current commercial detection (Logo method) detect not only the channel logo, but the TV Rating logo? I have noticed that most of the shows in the US show the TV rating immediately after the commercials

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-07 Thread Robert Tsai
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:26:06PM -0400, James Armstrong wrote: Another thought: I am recording more and more HDTV shows. I wonder if an option would be to detect the audio type. I know there is a flag in the DTV data that tells if it is 5.1 and such. I wonder if the show is in 5.1 or

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-07 Thread Mike Benoit
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 15:24 -0400, Michael T. Dean wrote: One thing I've started to notice lately is some channels put a random delay on when the logo appears after a commercial. (not sure if they remove the logo randomly before the commercial starts though) This totally throws off the

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Anil Gupte
Subject: Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea Lucas, Excellent I was looking at the 0.18.1 codebase...I'm still new to all this so I forgot to look at the CVS repository. All the development that I've done in the past has been using the 3dsmax and DigitalFusion SDK's so I tend to think in plugins

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread - Fritz
I have recently done a complete restructure of the commercial flagging code. You can now easily add a new commercial dection method plugin. (look at CommDetectorBase). Currently we have one method, which is Classic, which Chris wrote almost everything of. I made this change to more easily do

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Lucas Meijer
- Fritz wrote: Forgive me if this has been suggested before, but what about detecting subtitles? Almost every show has subtitles but they are missing from most commercials. Mixed with scene change detection it seems that checking for subtitles could be a very reliable way of telling what was

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread - Fritz
On 7/6/05, Lucas Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subtitles could defenitely be thrown into the mix. I'm not sure howmany users have their subtitle recording setup. (I know I don't) I'll put this on my list of things to look at (which shouldn't stop anybody else from doing so, my list is

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Jeroen Brosens
Actually, what methods are currently used for commercial detection? A quick google query showed that detection of blank frames, hard cuts, text in commercial ads, cartoons, sports and audio RMS changes are all possible with very high success rates and low false rates; each of them illustrated

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Anil Gupte
I believe I have seen subtitles (or they might be close captioning) in commercials as well. Anil Gupte - Original Message - From: - Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Development of mythtv mythtv-dev@mythtv.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread aaron
On 7/6/05, Anil Gupte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I have seen subtitles (or they might be close captioning) in commercials as well. Once or twice I've seen a show that has no captions but every commercial had captions. :) -- aaron ___

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Michael T. Dean
Jeroen Brosens wrote: Actually, what methods are currently used for commercial detection? A quick google query showed that detection of blank frames, hard cuts, text in commercial ads, cartoons, sports and audio RMS changes are all possible with very high success rates and low false rates;

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Ant Daniel
, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea I have recently done a complete restructure of the commercial flagging code. You can now easily add a new commercial dection method plugin. (look at CommDetectorBase). Currently we have one method, which is Classic, which Chris

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Lucas Meijer
Ant Daniel wrote: Commercials having subtitles shouldn't be a problem. You can do a text search (or hash the text) and determine that it's a commercial (once a commercial has been previously identified) would require people to identify commercials and the system 'learn' or to download

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread James Armstrong
Myth currently supports: 1) Blank frame 2) Scene change 3) Blank frame with scene change 4) Logo (the little channel identifier logo) 255) All (combines all the above--basically blank frame with scene change and logo) Does the current commercial detection (Logo method)

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread David Miller
What would be nice is to be able to fine tune the algorithms for a particular show. Say you record a show every week that doesn't work well with scene change detection well due to the editor and/or directors style. Well it would be nice to have a set of rules attached to that recording schedule

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-06 Thread Mac Michaels
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:29 am, James Armstrong wrote: Does the current commercial detection (Logo method) detect not only the channel logo, but the TV Rating logo? I have noticed that most of the shows in the US show the TV rating immediately after the commercials when the show resumes

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-05 Thread Michael T. Dean
David Whyte wrote: On 7/5/05, David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had an idea on a new commercial flagging technique which would look at the average volume level of the audio between blank frames and scene changes to help aid in commercial detection. Since commercials are typically

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-05 Thread Lucas Meijer
Hey David, Has anyone ever thought of doing the commercial flagging portion of the code to be more of a plugin architecture. Where each flagging method is a plugin. I have recently done a complete restructure of the commercial flagging code. You can now easily add a new commercial dection

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-05 Thread David Miller
Lucas, Excellent I was looking at the 0.18.1 codebase...I'm still new to all this so I forgot to look at the CVS repository. All the development that I've done in the past has been using the 3dsmax and DigitalFusion SDK's so I tend to think in plugins. This is my first adventure into messing

[mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-04 Thread David Miller
I had an idea on a new commercial flagging technique which would look at the average volume level of the audio between blank frames and scene changes to help aid in commercial detection. Since commercials are typically much louder than a show. I was hoping to experiment with this idea but upon

Re: [mythtv] Commercial Flagging Idea

2005-07-04 Thread David Whyte
I think this has already been suggested as an idea in the past. It is a good idea though as it is a common characteristic of commercials. Whytey On 7/5/05, David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had an idea on a new commercial flagging technique which would look at the average volume level