Re: Vixie puts his finger squarely on the key issue Re: Sprintpeering policy

2002-06-30 Thread Vadim Antonov
Oh, no. If anyone has illusions that politicos can somehow fix the situation, he ought to do serious reality check. If anything, they made that mess in the first place by creating ILEC monopolies and allowing those supposedly regulated monopilists to strange the emerging last mile broadband

Re: Network Security Requirements draft

2002-06-30 Thread Sean Donelan
On 18 Jun 2002, George Jones wrote: We (UUNET) have an internal document that we've been using for a few years as the basis for tests of security features of equipment to be connected to our backbone. We're interested in making it public so that it can be improved and so that others can use

Re: Vixie puts his finger squarely on the key issue Re: Sprintpeering policy

2002-06-30 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
I'm certainly no expert on US telecom politics but, on a global scale Telecoms companies always seems to be monopolies and ISPs arent.. and its not to do with political policies Most (all?) countries historically had an incumbent operator which at some time in the last 20 years was deregulated

Re: Sprint peering policy

2002-06-30 Thread David Luyer
when this situation has existed in other industries, gov't intervention has always resulted. even when the scope is international. i've not been able to puzzle out the reason why the world's gov'ts have not stepped in with some basic interconnection requirements for IP carriers. Some

Re: Vixie puts his finger squarely on the key issue Re: Sprintpeering policy

2002-06-30 Thread E.B. Dreger
SJW Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:09:53 +0100 (BST) SJW From: Stephen J. Wilcox SJW Most (all?) countries historically had an incumbent operator SJW which at some time in the last 20 years was deregulated.. SJW the trouble is whichever entity gets to own the wires in a SJW region has a total

Paix-NY and NYIIX -- link stil going to happen?

2002-06-30 Thread Phil Rosenthal
Anyone know if the link-up is still going to happen? I've heard from a few people that given the financial issues at MFN, this is highly unlikely to still happen. Anyone know any different? Paul? --Phil

Re: Vixie puts his finger squarely on the key issue Re: Sprint

2002-06-30 Thread Paul Vixie
i just want to clarify that... Oh, no. If anyone has illusions that politicos can somehow fix the situation, he ought to do serious reality check. ... ...while my name does appear in the Subject: header, i have no illusions that the world's gov'ts can do a better job on peering architecture

Re: Paix-NY and NYIIX -- link stil going to happen?

2002-06-30 Thread Paul Vixie
Anyone know if the link-up is still going to happen? everyone i've talked to still wants it to happen. does that count? I've heard from a few people that given the financial issues at MFN, this is highly unlikely to still happen. Anyone know any different? it seems to me that it's more

Re: Paix-NY and NYIIX -- link stil going to happen?

2002-06-30 Thread Stephen Stuart
Anyone know if the link-up is still going to happen? I've heard from a few people that given the financial issues at MFN, this is highly unlikely to still happen. Anyone know any different? I would not say that the outlook is as bleak as that. Stephen day-job .sig: Stephen Stuart [EMAIL

Re: Postmasters Anonymous

2002-06-30 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Sean Donelan wrote: Sorry for interrupting our quarterly peering debate, but I'd like to ask if there are any groups for people who are Postmasters (abuse, spam, dmca, etc)? I know there are many groups for people who want to complain about those subjects, but I was

Re: Vixie puts his finger squarely on the key issue Re: Sprintpeering policy

2002-06-30 Thread kookreport
Gordon what did I tell you about posting to NANOG? Shouldn't you be busy uncovering ICANN conspiracies and interviewing Bill St. Arnaud for the 50th time? Can we look forward to a summary of this thread in your next report? Gordon Cook wrote: Where is it possible to gain any reliable data

Re: Name Server Change-over completed

2002-06-30 Thread Mark E. Mallett
IN TXT tldtag field='email' value='[EMAIL PROTECTED] in this case, the suggesion that TXT RR's be put alongside NS RR's *above* the zone cut is your clue that the whole thing is a put-on. i guess this author was being too subtle about it, so you didn't catch the humour.

Re: Postmasters Anonymous

2002-06-30 Thread Rizzo Frank
Sean Donelan wrote: Sorry for interrupting our quarterly peering debate, but I'd like to ask if there are any groups for people who are Postmasters (abuse, spam, dmca, etc) Alcoholics Anonymous. Frank Rizzo

Re: Name Server Change-over completed

2002-06-30 Thread Rizzo Frank
ATTENTION ALL INCLUSIVE NAMESPACE ROOT SERVER ZONE MANAGERS! HEAR YE, HEAR YE! This is either a scam or a really bad joke. I can't tell which, but I pity the people who were mislead into reading this mail and acting accordingly. I repeat, there was no Internet-impacting maintenance going

Re: Name Server Change-over completed

2002-06-30 Thread Rizzo Frank
John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Sorry Paul, I guess you don't understand how those TLDTAG records work. Sorry John, I guess you don't understand how Internet naming works. There is one true root file, and it's not yours. Might I suggest re-reading some ORA publications before you go off

Re: Name Server Change-over completed

2002-06-30 Thread David Lesher
Unnamed Administration sources reported that Rizzo Frank said: ATTENTION ALL INCLUSIVE NAMESPACE ROOT SERVER ZONE MANAGERS! HEAR YE, HEAR YE! This is either a scam or a really bad joke. I can't tell which, but I pity the people who were mislead into reading this mail and acting

Re: Name Server Change-over completed

2002-06-30 Thread measl
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Rizzo Frank wrote: John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Sorry Paul, I guess you don't understand how those TLDTAG records work. Sorry John, I guess you don't understand how Internet naming works. There is one true root file, and it's not yours. I guess the moon

Re: Name Server Change-over completed

2002-06-30 Thread George William Herbert
I guess the moon is in phase with some star somewhere, and now it's time to argue who's root is he real root... Barf. Enough already - we all have our own roots. one guy follows Vixies roots, while I typically roll my own. Many others do other things. The final point of this insanity is