RE: HP Openview

2002-07-11 Thread Daniska Tomas
the newer openview you have the more alarms it generates... you need to spend a hell lot of time tuning alarm correlation etc. by the way did anyone see a nms that's capable of working in duplicate-ip environments like mpls vpns etc? e.g. one that'd use saa agents on cisco boxes (or vrf-awa

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 06:19 PM 7/10/2002 -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: >Hrm looks like I beat Sean Donelan... > >http://www.caiso.com/awe/systemstatus.html >http://www.caiso.com/outlook.html > >Is it time for a rolling blackout again? I see Sean replying down below, but I'm going to virtually beat both of

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-11 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
> The Cisco GSR (12,0xx) just got native support for IPv6 (12.0.21ST1) > and its being rolled out across Abilene (Internet2). I'm at one of Uhm, I was under the impression that IOS support had been there for a while GSRs only could do IPv6 processor switched ,and only 124xx could do it on th

Re: multicast (was Re: Readiness for IPV6)

2002-07-11 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
--On Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:16:38 -0700 David Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given the amount of time and resource we've spent on multicast, > the question one might ask is "why hasn't multicast succeeded"? > My guess is that it is because the demand from any of the > potential users o

RE: OT - Importance of Content

2002-07-11 Thread David Diaz
Chicken and the egg. About 1997 - early 1998 time frame, there was talk of some big content players getting together to do something similar. I remember it was some large financial institutes, Disney, etc. There were 5 serious content players that could not get peering and were being force

ANN: Panoptis DoS detection tool version 0.1.1 is out

2002-07-11 Thread Constantinos A. Kotsokalis
Hello, the latest version of Panoptis DoS/DDoS detection tool is out (version 0.1.1). A few fixes should make it more effective and stable. On another note, if you want to run it on FreeBSD all you have to do is compile Panoptis *and* the CommonC++ library with g++ 3.x (tested with 3.0.4).

Re: XO

2002-07-11 Thread Brian
While I do not like a ton of hold music either, if the wait isn't ridiculous, and thats who you're sposed to be talking to, then thats it. Tis nice how customer no-service has become the norm as layoffs and budget cuts have run wild in the sector the last couple years. Bri On Wed, 10 Ju

Paying for delivery of packets (was about Sprint Peering, and Importance of Content)

2002-07-11 Thread JC Dill
On 07:55 AM 7/11/02, David Diaz wrote: >Shane as far as the "thought" that backbones will "pay" to get to >your content. It's just not going to happen. If the content were >that important they might go directly to your customers and offer >them a wonderful deal to buy a link from them. Th

Re: Windows Media/RealPlayer monitoring?

2002-07-11 Thread John Capo
Quoting cw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > My question is simple. > > Is there anyone out there who is using, or has implemented a > successful monitoring system for Windows Media Server and/or Real > Server? If so, then how did you go about it? > I captured the data exchange between a client and

Re: Paying for delivery of packets (was about Sprint Peering, and Importance of Content)

2002-07-11 Thread E.B. Dreger
JD> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:37:01 -0700 JD> From: JC Dill JD> It is my opinion that eventually the Internet will be mostly JD> funded by those who send packets, and will be mostly free for JD> those receiving said packets, much in the way that 800 JD> numbers are funded in the telephone syste

Sprint multicast route list

2002-07-11 Thread Pete Kruckenberg
I'm doing some analysis of who I might be able to reach via multicast through Sprint. Sadly, route-views multicast peering with Sprint is not working at the moment. I'd appreciate if someone could email me the output from "show ip mbgp neighbor received-routes" or "show ip mbgp" from a Sprint

Re: Sprint multicast route list

2002-07-11 Thread David Meyer
Pete, >> I'm doing some analysis of who I might be able to reach via >> multicast through Sprint. >> >> Sadly, route-views multicast peering with Sprint is not >> working at the moment. My mistake. I'll fix it. Dave

Re: Sprint multicast route list

2002-07-11 Thread Pete Kruckenberg
Thanks, I got it. And route-views will be fixed, too. On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Pete Kruckenberg wrote: > Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:53:37 -0600 (MDT) > From: Pete Kruckenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Sprint multicast route list > > I'm doing some analysis of who I migh

Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Sean Donelan
Has anyone written the equivalent of the old Bell Systems Notes on the Network for the Internet? A couple of books come close, Hueston's ISP Survival Guide and Cisco's ISP Essentials. But there doesn't seem to be anything that helps Bell heads understand what switching, routing or signaling me

Re: Sprint multicast route list

2002-07-11 Thread David Meyer
It's there now. route-views.oregon-ix.net>sh ip mbgp sum | inc 1239 144.228.241.81 4 1239 4900318729 114266 170 00:02:34 3975 Dave On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 12:01:12PM -0700, David Meyer wrote: >> >> Pete, >> >> >> I'm doing some analysis of who I might be able to reach via

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Peter Salus
I'd love to write The Internet for Bell-Heads. Tell you what, Sean. You find an interested publisher and I'll write it. Peter --- Peter H. Salus Chief Knowledge Officer, Matrix NetSystems Ste. 501W 1106 Clayton Lane Austi

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread dre
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:09:19PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > Has anyone written the equivalent of the old Bell Systems Notes on the > Network for the Internet? Hrmn, I can seem to download standards from http://www.ietf.org/ just fine. For some reason, I can't download anything from http://t

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread JC Dill
On 12:18 PM 7/11/02, Peter Salus wrote: > >I'd love to write The Internet for Bell-Heads. >Tell you what, Sean. You find an interested publisher >and I'll write it. Looks like a perfect title for the Idiot's Guide series. jc

RE: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Daniel Golding
Actually, the reverse would be useful, as well. Voice Networking/SS7 stuff for us IP weenies. (i.e. not voice over IP, just straight voice) - Dan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Sean Donelan > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:09 PM

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Martin J. Levy
Sean, My vote goes for... How to build an Internet Service Company From A to Z... All you need to know to plan, build and market an Internet service company. Tips and tricks from the inside. Charles H. Burke July '96 ISBN: 0-935563-02-4 And I quote... > Coffee Maker - Coffee is an

RE: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Kris Foster
You're thinking of: Carrier-scale IP networks: designing and operating Internet networks Edited by Peter Willis, ISBN 0 85296 982 1, The Institute of Electrical Engineers, London Kris > -Original Message- > From: Martin J. Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 200

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Scott Call
Working for a Telco with an ISP division, I can tell you the best thing to to do is wait for the Bell Heads to retire for the third time and keep them away from your gear until then :) But in all seriousness, a book or set of documents would be very helpful for those few Bell-shaped Heads that w

Re: Sprint multicast route list

2002-07-11 Thread Marshall Eubanks
As part of the status page http://www.multicasttech.com/status/mbgp.full , updated every 6 hours, is a full dump of all of our mbgp peering, including with Sprint. http://www.multicasttech.com/status/mbgp.sum is a AS list derived from that dump. Things mbgp have been pretty bad the last w

Question regarding web hosting ip addressing

2002-07-11 Thread Martin Hannigan
Folks, could use some pointers. I seem to remember from experience some years ago that if you were hosting multiple domains for web hosting in a shared environment that they needed to have individual IP numbers assigned specifically to the domain, all sharing the interface, so things like AOL

Re: Question regarding web hosting ip addressing

2002-07-11 Thread Scott Francis
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 04:22:53PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > > Folks, could use some pointers. > > I seem to remember from experience some years ago that if you were > hosting multiple domains for web hosting in a shared environment that > they needed to have individual IP numbers a

Re: Question regarding web hosting ip addressing

2002-07-11 Thread Gerald
http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/vhosts/name-based.html Summary: Name based if you can to save on addressing and if you don't need SSL. IP Based for SSL and if customer insists for some strange reason. It got really popular when ARIN said no more IP's for web addressing, then they backed off of

RE: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Ron Oliver
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Daniel Golding wrote: > Actually, the reverse would be useful, as well. Voice Networking/SS7 stuff > for us IP weenies. (i.e. not voice over IP, just straight voice) "Integrating Voice and Data Networks," Cisco Press, ISBN 1-57870-196-1 Part I, "Traditional Voice Networks"

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Martin! If there is plenty of power in CA then howcum there was a "stage 2" alert yesterday and a "market alert today"? Today's "projected demand" equaled "available resources" today If demand played out as expected there would have been big trouble in CA today. On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Marti

Re: Question regarding web hosting ip addressing

2002-07-11 Thread Mark Kent
>> hme0/1.2.3.1/www.test1.com >> hme0/1.2.3.2/www.test2.com It is probably better to attach the IP addresses to the loopback interface rather than the ethernet interface. -mark

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 03:03 PM 7/11/2002 -0700, Gary E. Miller wrote: >Yo Martin! > >If there is plenty of power in CA then howcum there was a "stage 2" alert >yesterday and a "market alert today"? Today's "projected demand" equaled >"available resources" today If demand played out as expected there >would have b

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Robert A. Hayden
Increased power demands from all the paper shredders? ;-) On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Yo Martin! > > If there is plenty of power in CA then howcum there was a "stage 2" alert > yesterday and a "market alert today"? Today's "projected demand" equaled > "available resources" t

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Doug Barton
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Yo Martin! > > If there is plenty of power in CA then howcum there was a "stage 2" alert > yesterday and a "market alert today"? Today's "projected demand" equaled > "available resources" today If demand played out as expected there > would have b

Re: multicast (was Re: Readiness for IPV6)

2002-07-11 Thread Pete Kruckenberg
Multicast won't become pervasive until there are applications that use it (as has been pointed out in this thread), and those applications won't be widely-used until there is some momentum with high-speed connectivity (ie > 1Mbps and probably more like 10+Mb/s). Many multicast applications (prim

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Scott Call wrote: > Working for a Telco with an ISP division, I can tell you the best thing to > to do is wait for the Bell Heads to retire for the third time and keep > them away from your gear until then :) Yes, several people mentioned that the two groups should just main

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Randy Bush
> I don't know which is scarier. Lucent/Bell Labs trying to design > the next generation Internet architecture, or Cisco trying to > design the next generation DCN/SS7 architecture. the contest is keen. for a nice view of this insanity fueled by greed, paranoia, greed, and oh greed, see the ie

RE: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Blake Fithen
> Doug Barton: > [deletia] > Reporter: So, how many generators do you have at this plant? > Operator: 3 > R: How many do you have operating today? > O: Just one. > R: REALLY? But we had rolling blackouts all through San Diego County > today, why aren't you operating all 3 generators? > O: Becaus

RE: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Joseph Barnhart
Funny thing about rioters is they usually destroy their own neighborhoods...go figure. --jb > Doug Barton: > [deletia] > Reporter: So, how many generators do you have at this plant? > Operator: 3 > R: How many do you have operating today? > O: Just one. > R: REALLY? But we had rolling blackou

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread G. Scott Granados
As long as they leave the fiber alone:). - Original Message - From: "Joseph Barnhart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: RE: CA Power > > Funny thing about rioters is they usually > destroy their own neighborhoods...go figure. >

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Joseph Barnhart
Hrmm...hi-tech rioters...interesting idea :) On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, G. Scott Granados wrote: > As long as they leave the fiber alone:). > > - Original Message - > From: "Joseph Barnhart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:31 PM > Subject: RE:

RE: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread Jacob M Wilkens
When it's high-tech /rioting/ it's then called sabotage right? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph Barnhart Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:35 PM To: G. Scott Granados Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CA Power Hrmm...hi-tech riote

Re: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread G. Scott Granados
Its all the same! Just remember. Be sure to pillage before you burn! - Original Message - From: "Jacob M Wilkens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: RE: CA Power > > When it's high-tech /rioting/ it's then called sabotage right?

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Joe Abley
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 08:24:38PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > Yes, several people mentioned that the two groups should just maintain > their seperate ways. There is this thing called convergence. I know a small number of operators with really talented and dedicated architecture people who hav

RE: CA Power

2002-07-11 Thread James
> When it's high-tech /rioting/ it's then called sabotage right? Terrorism? (maybe :p) - James

Re: Paying for delivery of packets (was about Sprint Peering, and Importance of Content)

2002-07-11 Thread JC Dill
On 11:31 AM 7/11/02, E.B. Dreger wrote: > >JD> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:37:01 -0700 >JD> From: JC Dill > > >JD> It is my opinion that eventually the Internet will be mostly >JD> funded by those who send packets, and will be mostly free for >JD> those receiving said packets, much in the w

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Randy Bush wrote: > > I don't know which is scarier. Lucent/Bell Labs trying to design > > the next generation Internet architecture, or Cisco trying to > > design the next generation DCN/SS7 architecture. > > the contest is keen. for a nice view of this insanity fueled by

Re: Paying for delivery of packets (was about Sprint Peering, and Importance of Content)

2002-07-11 Thread Barney Wolff
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 08:00:45PM -0700, JC Dill wrote: > > The problem with asymmetric pricing is that the cost of passing the packets > is equally born by both ends. Take 2 networks that peer, one with mostly > content, one with mostly eyeballs. The content providers pay a higher > price

Re: Paying for delivery of packets (was about Sprint Peering, and Importance of Content)

2002-07-11 Thread JC Dill
On 08:33 PM 7/11/02, Barney Wolff wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 08:00:45PM -0700, JC Dill wrote: >> >> The problem with asymmetric pricing is that the cost of passing the packets >> is equally born by both ends. Take 2 networks that peer, one with mostly >> content, one with mostly ey