Re: Paying for delivery of packets doesn't work

2002-07-13 Thread Mike Leber
LOL, the subject was just for amusement since I know I'll get alot of flames. Of course paying for delivery of packets works... settlement based peering is what doesn't work. Mike. ps. sorry, long week and a too private sense of humor. +--- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C

KPNQwest to be shut down ?

2002-07-13 Thread Andre Chapuis
http://www.cbronline.com/cbr.nsf/latestnews/3D7D494A2E3C728A80256BF4001084B0?Opendocument 07/12/2002 Curtain Being Drawn on KPNQwest Network The future of the KPNQwest network looks bleak, after the Customer Support KPNQwest

sbc pbi routing

2002-07-13 Thread michael
IF there is a SBC PBI routing enginer reading this can you please contact me privately. Thanks, Michael

Re: Paying for delivery of packets (was about Sprint Peering, and Importance of Content)

2002-07-13 Thread Tim Thorne
JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My premise is that in the end, content providers want to send lots of packets more than end users want to pay to receive them. Joe is not willing to pay an equally high rate to get the packets that content providers are willing to pay to send them. Thus,

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
so I'm wrong and the two /10's can't be aggregated? On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: I beg to differ... c/o Tony Bates, UU are only kept off the top spot by Telstra's apparent policy of deaggregating! 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 05Jul02 --- ASnum

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Stephen Stuart
I beg to differ... c/o Tony Bates, UU are only kept off the top spot by Telstra's apparent policy of deaggregating! I don't speak for UUNET, not a shareholder, don't have any say over their routing policies; that said, there are a couple reasons that might be the case: 1. Deaggregation to

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Just having my saturday afternoon stir really but .. : On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Stephen Stuart wrote: I beg to differ... c/o Tony Bates, UU are only kept off the top spot by Telstra's apparent policy of deaggregating! I don't speak for UUNET, not a shareholder, don't have any say over

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Paul Schultz
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Stephen Stuart wrote: 1. Deaggregation to help spread out traffic flow. As someone who used to send a lot of traffic toward some big providers, it can be hard to balance traffic efficiently when all you get is one short prefix at multiple peering points.

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Stephen Stuart
1. Deaggregation to help spread out traffic flow. As someone who used to send a lot of traffic toward some big providers, it can be hard to balance traffic efficiently when all you get is one short prefix at multiple peering points. Having more-specifics, and possibly A

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Paul Schultz
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Stephen Stuart wrote: Indeed, I know from personal experience the heartbreak of supplying no-export to a BGP peer who does not honor it, and propagates the more-specific prefixes that I give them globally. I'm wondering how many folks out there choose not to honor

Re: Paying for delivery of packets (was about Sprint Peering, and Importance of Content)

2002-07-13 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
As a telco we see a number of these services, based around premium rate dialup access. I have to say that so far none appears to have worked even ones we have done that were advertised as part of the largest TV shows at the time. For most applications, eg sports, porn it can only work if the

Re: QoS/CoS in the real world?

2002-07-13 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Well, end of the week and the responses dried up pretty quickly, I think thats a response in itself to my question! Okay, heres a summary which was requested by a few people: Other people too are interested in my questions, they dont implement QoS in any saleable manner and wonder how it can

Re: KPNQwest to be shut down ?

2002-07-13 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Well our transit BGP just this minute went along with the circuit to KPNQ. I cant confirm as theres no NOC but looks like it may be it .. ? Steve On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Andre Chapuis wrote: http://www.cbronline.com/cbr.nsf/latestnews/3D7D494A2E3C728A80256BF4001084B0?Opendocument

Re: KPNQwest to be shut down ?

2002-07-13 Thread Daniel Concepcion
Hi I Could confirm that the AS286 is dead in Spain (286 2845249 754590 00 1d17hActive) The national AS2134 appears to be live but announce only 14 prefix. They announce to us 100 prefix before of their financial crash. Regards, Daniel On Sunday 14 July 2002 02:48,

RE: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Frank Scalzo
What vendor by default does not take action on no-export??? Certainly cisco and juniper both honor it by default. To get back to the original question of 63/9 being announced it can be entertaining to watch for other fishy routes to show up in the routing table, like 63/8. I know of at

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 09:21:16PM -0400, Frank Scalzo wrote: The underlying problem, is that there are no good widely deployed solutions for controlling what the large backbones inject into the routing table at peering points. A large tier 1 deaggregates towards another bad things happen.

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 10:20:01PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Supposidly Level 3 requires IRR filtering on their peers, but do they actually try to enforce this? I know they do an excellent job maintaining their own IRR entries, but I'm certain they peer with people who don't have

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Andrew Partan
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 04:00:42PM -0700, Stephen Stuart wrote: Please also respond if you weren't aware that you have to explicitly implement the policy of honoring no-export - while the community vaue is well-known, the policy is not built-in. If you do not wipe out the communities that

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Stephen Stuart
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 04:00:42PM -0700, Stephen Stuart wrote: Please also respond if you weren't aware that you have to explicitly implement the policy of honoring no-export - while the community vaue is well-known, the policy is not built-in. If you do not wipe out the communities