Responses and update..

2002-08-11 Thread Scott Walker
I have gotten a massive response.. I am going to organize it all and give everyone a nice list... Just give me a few to organize it :)

Re: Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense anymore?

2002-08-11 Thread David Diaz
Paul just hit on it. At how many layers do you want protection, and will they interfere with each other. Granted not all protection schemes overlap. If there if not a layer 1 failure, and a router maintains link0 but the card or routers has somehow failed and is no longer passing packets,

Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread blitz
So read about Palladianism, and tell me the different between Palladium and Server 2000   Windows Palladium, the end of privacy as we know it. This taken from various sources encluding UHA and deviantart, the register and slashdot., Disturbing news.. Earlier this week, Microsoft outlin

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread Kevin Oberman
While I find much to worry about in Palladium, the vast majority of the information in this post is simply not correct. Even Microsoft is not delusional enough to think that they could get away with such a coup. (Not that they would not want to.) Before going ballistic, read up on Palladium and

damping

2002-08-11 Thread Randy Bush
for research purposes. we want to send a periodic announce and a withdraw of a specific prefix. but we don't want to hit folk's damping policies. does anyone damp a swamp /24 which does an announce / withdraw on a two hour cycle? i.e. announce at 0,2,4,... and withdraw at 1,3,5,..? randy

Re: Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense anymore?

2002-08-11 Thread Paul Vixie
> I suppose the discussion is what do you want from your exchange pt > operator and what do you NOT want. At the IXP level, "bits per month" always trumps "bits per second", and usually trumps "pennies per bit" as well. There are now a number of companies trying to sell wide area ethernet -- e

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread gg
Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel platform..hello mighty SPARC   Gerardo Gregory     - Original Message - From: blitz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: Microslosh vision of the future So read abou

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, gg wrote: > > Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel platform..hello mighty SPARC I guess you didn't actually read this, did you? It makes no difference what you use at home, if that machine can't talk to the rest of the world. > > Gerardo Gregory > > >

Re: endpoint liveness (RE: Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense an ymore?)

2002-08-11 Thread Jesper Skriver
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 03:22:00PM -0700, Lane Patterson wrote: > BGP keepalive/hold timers are configurable even down to granularity of > link or PVC level keepalives, but for session stability reasons, it > appears that most ISPs at GigE exchanges choose not to tweak them down > from the defau

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread David Schwartz
Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and can use any resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light. Everybody has that right. If I don't like it, I won't buy it. If they convince customers that they gain more than they lose, only a gun will make them bu

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread Vadim Antonov
Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully proprietary software. Given the prevalent time horizon of average IT manager's thinking I fully expect Microsoft to get that stuff deployed before the poor saps start realizing they're being ripped. After that Microsoft wil

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread David Schwartz
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:43:17 -0700 (PDT), Vadim Antonov wrote: >Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully >proprietary software. I don't think duped is really a fair description. They simply provide a large number of users with what they want. There isn't cu

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread blitz
We have given up on M$ when they started invading our hard drives with XP...no reason to think their plans are anything less than nefarious, judging from their past behavior. At 16:10 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >While I find much to worry about in Palladium, the vast majority of >the informat

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread blitz
Well, I may be a wet blanket to the chip houses, but how much speed DO you actually need? Any REAL reason to abandon the present working architecture? I don't personally think so, a 2 gig box is plenty fast for anything we have now, so why don't we just vote with our feet? DON'T buy this crap, the

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread blitz
I agree wholeheartedly, "let 'em starve" At 18:17 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote: > Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and > can use any >resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light. Everybody has >that right. If I don't like it, I won't buy it. If

Re: Microslosh vision of the future

2002-08-11 Thread blitz
I just hope the anti-trust people are looking into thisi can't see a bigger case for them to spring into action... At 18:43 8/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully >proprietary software. Given the prevalent time horizon of average

Re: endpoint liveness (RE: Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense an ymore?)

2002-08-11 Thread Petri Helenius
Jesper Skriver wrote: > Your Cisco router (say a GSR) will go foobar if you use 10/30 seconds > timers, a IGP topology change, causing a new next-hop interface for > 100k routes, will cause processes (probably CEF related) to run for so > long, that you will loose your BGP keepalives, thus loose