Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Edward Lewis
At 17:15 -0500 1/3/03, Daniel Senie wrote: It's so nice Verisign is pushing a solution for COM/NET. I have to wonder if we'll have a different solution in .ORG, another in .BIZ, etc. Folks, this is why we cooperate with competitors and produce standards. Well, the way I look at this is: I hope

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Daniel Senie
At 04:24 PM 1/3/2003, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > Am I the only one that finds this perversion of the DNS protocol > abhorrent and scary? Sounds like a fine interweb kludge It'll just be annoying until other applications aquire similar bodgery as the users will not understand why they can't u

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread bert hubert
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 12:26:05PM -0800, just me wrote: > Am I the only one that finds this perversion of the DNS protocol > abhorrent and scary? This is straight up hijacking. I find Microsoft blatantly sending out UTF-8 and 'another local encoding' to nameservers interesting too. The real qu

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> Am I the only one that finds this perversion of the DNS protocol > abhorrent and scary? Sounds like a fine interweb kludge It'll just be annoying until other applications aquire similar bodgery as the users will not understand why they can't use it for mail and all brandon

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Mike (meuon) Harrison
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, just me wrote: > Am I the only one that finds this perversion of the DNS protocol > abhorrent and scary? This is straight up hijacking. And you find this unusual for Verisign/Network Solutions?

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Edward Lewis
At 12:26 -0800 1/3/03, just me wrote: Am I the only one that finds this perversion of the DNS protocol abhorrent and scary? This is straight up hijacking. It's scary but I'm not sure it's abhorrent. The DNS is hit by a lot of bad traffic. E.g., a presentation at the previous nanog (http://ww

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Marc Slemko
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, just me wrote: > Am I the only one that finds this perversion of the DNS protocol > abhorrent and scary? This is straight up hijacking. It is quite disturbing, you would think that the folks responsible for two of the biggest TLDs on the net would appreciate that not everythi

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Stephen Stuart
> I find the interesting that there were immediate assumptions by > all the followup posters that the hypothectical mesh wbn suggested > would be run by an exchange point operator. I beg to differ. I said "if the exchange-point operator is the one carrying the traffic," at the point where th

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread just me
Am I the only one that finds this perversion of the DNS protocol abhorrent and scary? This is straight up hijacking. On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Verd, Brad wrote: To improve this user experience and to encourage the adoption of an application that supports IDNA, VGRS is announcing a measure intend

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread E.B. Dreger
SMB> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:41:45 -0500 SMB> From: Steven M. Bellovin SMB> I'm sorry, but this is incorrect in many different dimensions. The SMB> subject was discussed exhaustively in the IETF's IDN working group; I SMB> refer you to its archive for detailed discussions. Among many other S

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon Lockhart) writes: > But, given that peering costs are more than just the circuit cost (once > you include Exchange Point costs, and colo, etc), why would anyone do this > when you can just buy transit for $100/Mbps or less? Because peering is better. There's no way to b

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Joe Provo
I find the interesting that there were immediate assumptions by all the followup posters that the hypothectical mesh wbn suggested would be run by an exchange point operator. Perhaps no public statements were sent by anyone in using similar trans-atlantic services (that are not run by the af

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 08:22:11PM +0100, Kandra Nygårds wrote: > IDN(A) is an effort to encode unicode into 7-bit DNS-labels, without > breaking backward compatibility (too hard). While there originally were a > few voices arguing for UTF-8 over the wire, they were few and the

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E.B. Dreger" writes: > >EL> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:44:53 -0500 >EL> From: Edward Lewis > > >EL> The DNS protocol is not 8-bit safe, much less any >EL> implementations of it. This is because ASCII upper case >EL> characters are down cased in comparisons. I.e.,

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Neil J. McRae
> This message explains an upcoming change in certain behavior of the > com and net authoritative name servers related to internationalized > domain names (IDNs). Put your support people on overtime warnings!

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread bert hubert
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:15:43PM +, E.B. Dreger wrote: > Yes, comparisons are case-insensitive. So what? strcasecmp() > works on ASCII strings. Now it must work on . > Why not let be UTF-8, something programmers > should support already? Maybe MS-style Unicode encoding? Why > add yet

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Kandra Nygårds
From: "E.B. Dreger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > BV> Before IDNA, some application developers had developed > BV> proprietary mechanisms designed to support IDNs. The Internet > > UTF-8 is a standard. MS products have used two-octet chars to > support Unicode for a long time. Any reason to add yet ano

Re: Dutch translation needed

2003-01-03 Thread bert hubert
On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 05:32:36PM -0700, James-lists wrote: > > I am not getting through to speed.planet.nl in English, can anyone give > me > a decent translation of in Dutch (The Netherlands): Everybody here speaks English. If they are ignoring you, they will ignore you in Dutch too. Regards

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread E.B. Dreger
EL> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:44:53 -0500 EL> From: Edward Lewis EL> The DNS protocol is not 8-bit safe, much less any EL> implementations of it. This is because ASCII upper case EL> characters are down cased in comparisons. I.e., the My point is there's no need to force chars <= 0x7f if DNS s

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 10:11:09AM -0500, David Diaz wrote: > 2) Perhaps a time limit who is still connected to mae-w fddi? i know there are people there. time limits don't work well. -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from [EMAIL PROTECTED] clue++; |

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Edward Lewis
At 18:31 + 1/3/03, E.B. Dreger wrote: UTF-8 is a standard. MS products have used two-octet chars to support Unicode for a long time. Any reason to add yet another encoding? Sounds like a question to ask of the IETF. How about encouraging widespread adoption of EXISTING standards instead

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Bill Woodcock
> clearly, interconnecting their exchange points to create a richly- > connected Internet 'core' is a natural progression if their > customers don't complain too loudly. > not that it's a bad long-term plan... Actually, it is. It's failed in every prior instance. It's on

Re: COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread E.B. Dreger
BV> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:49:06 -0500 BV> From: "Verd, Brad" [ At the risk of going OT... ] BV> Before IDNA, some application developers had developed BV> proprietary mechanisms designed to support IDNs. The Internet UTF-8 is a standard. MS products have used two-octet chars to support Uni

COM/NET informational message

2003-01-03 Thread Verd, Brad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- This message explains an upcoming change in certain behavior of the com and net authoritative name servers related to internationalized domain names (IDNs). VeriSign Global Registry Services (VGRS) has been a longtime advocate of IDNs. Our IDN Test Bed has b

RE: Google Crawler

2003-01-03 Thread Andy Ellifson
Thank you! --- Mike Damm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.google.com/bot.html for issues with the crawler. > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] will get you a human bean to talk to. > Normally > when there is a problem with their robot, they are pretty responsive. > > -Mike > > --- > Mic

RE: Google Crawler

2003-01-03 Thread Mike Damm
http://www.google.com/bot.html for issues with the crawler. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] will get you a human bean to talk to. Normally when there is a problem with their robot, they are pretty responsive. -Mike --- Michael Damm, MIS Department, Irwin Research & Development V: 509.457.5080 x

Google Crawler

2003-01-03 Thread Andy Ellifson
We are a domain registrar and we host/park over 750,000 domain names. Every now and then the Google Crawler decides to bury the machines that host our 'parked' domain pages. We use robots.txt but that doesn't help under these circumstances. I have tried sending a message to Google using their w

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread David Diaz
Both Stephen and Jeff and correct. And Im not sure it would be in the best interests of the colo company to be a jack of all trades. Where I do see a benefit are where an exch pt company wants to start a new one in a new city. It's the classic chicken and the egg. Where I have promoted allow

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Jeff Barrows
> - Transit providers who came to the exchange point for the purpose of > picking up transit sales. > > - If the exchange point operator is the one carrying the traffic, they > lose for competing with their customers in the previous bullet; they > will have taken the first steps on the path

The Cidr Report

2003-01-03 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jan 3 21:45:27 2003 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table Hist

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Thu Jan 02, 2003 at 03:59:35PM -0800, William B. Norton wrote: > This has sent the price point down to historic levels, O($28K/mo > for STM-1) or less than $200/Mbps for transport! This is approaching an > attractive price point for long distance peering so, just for grins,... > > Are there

Re: US-Asia Peering

2003-01-03 Thread Stephen Stuart
Rearranged slightly. > What are the technical issue with extreme long distance (transoceanic) > peering? > > In particular, what are the issues interconnecting layer 2 switches across > the ocean for the purposes of providing a global peering cloud > using: In the generic sense, the issues ar