RE: DNS records for routers

2003-03-03 Thread Cutler, James R
Pete, passionSince I do NOT believe in Security through Obscurity as effective/passion, I name every address and publish both A and PTR views of this relationship. This applies to all network-addressable entities. CNAME records may be added to taste. Naming should facilitate maintenance of

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Michael . Dillon
I like the idea of people being able to START on the authentication datbase of ownership/announcement in a distributed fashion, but perhaps there are other ways (perhaps DNS-based) of getting there as well... Yes there are other ways and I suggest that the optimal choice of protocol for

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:53:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 55 lines which said: Yes there are other ways and I suggest that the optimal choice of protocol for publishing this information is LDAP, not DNS. ... Next step is to get ISPs to replace their

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Jack Bates
From: Avi Freedman Router CPUs average 50%, and S-BG adds 10% (paraphrase) Average is somewhat less relevant than common peaks. GSRs and 7500s and 7200s all get up there at 90+% on the real Internet. I agree. I'm have a tricked 7200 managing 3 peers. Normal traffic utilization rate is 30%

RE: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread St. Clair, James
Good point, Sean. The problem is the business process and the risk to the process, vs. the cost to fix it. Jim -Original Message- From: Sean Donelan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:25 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: BGP to doom us all On Fri, 28

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread bmanning
I believe that LDAP can be the core of this toolset. --Michael Dillon Why not put everything into a MySQL db? :) LDAP is a fine tool but it was not designed to do some of the things that other tools do. We are not yet at the point where all we have the

RE: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Kuhtz, Christian
Why not? Can you be more specific as to why you think that LDAP is not suitable? Thanks, Christian I believe that LDAP can be the core of this toolset. --Michael Dillon Why not put everything into a MySQL db? :) LDAP is a fine tool but it was not designed to do some

Re: Who uses RADB? [was BGP to doom us all]

2003-03-03 Thread lhoward
Very subtle, David. As it happens, somebody asked only last week if they could take up the project again. For those who think mapping filters to route objects is nigh trivial, there is a significant difference between network assignees and routes. Tracking assignments, ASNs, customer routing

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread bmanning
Too many features layered on a single tool. Haq the tool and the dependencies will cripple your service offering. Now I don't want to say that you can't do this on your own, I am uncomfortable with such tactics being promoted as the one true way

Re: Who uses RADB? [was BGP to doom us all]

2003-03-03 Thread David Barak
I'm thrilled to hear that that project is being picked up again. The long-term benefits (IMO) are worth the non-trivial amount of effort required to make a functioning solution. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very subtle, David. As it happens, somebody asked only last week if they could take

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Michael . Dillon
I believe that LDAP can be the core of this toolset. Why not put everything into a MySQL db? :) Arrgghhh!!! he yells running and screaming in horror... Of all the example products you could have chosen to represent database software, why on earth did you choose this abomination. Is it a

Re: Who uses RADB? [was BGP to doom us all]

2003-03-03 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very subtle, David. As it happens, somebody asked only last week if they could take up the project again. For those who think mapping filters to route objects is nigh trivial, there is a significant difference between network assignees and routes.

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Michael . Dillon
Too many features layered on a single tool. Haq the tool and the dependencies will cripple your service offering. LDAP is not a tool, it is a protocol that can be used by many tools to communicate in the same way that many servers (BIND, NSD, DJBDNS, MS-DNS, QuickDNS) can use the DNS

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Jack Bates
From: Avi Freedman snip : Why don't SWIP forms include Origin-AS? Ahem. Origin-AS(s) - plural. Agreed - mildly. Of course, SWIP isn't updated when delegation info changes, so origin AS(s) would get just as stale as contact info. If networks are filtering based on SWIP information, it

Tools

2003-03-03 Thread bmanning
Too many features layered on a single tool. Haq the tool and the dependencies will cripple your service offering. LDAP is not a tool, it is a protocol that can be used by many tools to communicate in the same way that many servers (BIND, NSD, DJBDNS, MS-DNS, QuickDNS) can use the

Re: Tools

2003-03-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, maa 3, 2003, at 16:44 Europe/Amsterdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tool in the generic sense. too many things that depend on LDAP for proper functioning -will- make LDAP a tempting target. So not functioning properly is preferable to depending on a tempting

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Michael . Dillon
It has to be separate from SWIP though, as rwhois servers don't issue SWIP. This is basically where I started thinking about LDAP. If rwhois doesn't do the job, then we could either fix/enhance rwhois or move to something else. Anyone who has ever delved into the internals of rwhoisd knows

Re: Tools

2003-03-03 Thread Andrew Newton
I'd like to stop this argument now by saying you are both right. *) LDAP is a protocol, not an implementation. The back-end can be anything... even monkeys with pencil and paper. *) Michael's point about doing things differently and hopefully in a better way does not hinge on technology... it

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread David Conrad
On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 06:52 AM, Kuhtz, Christian wrote: Why not? Well, it depends on what you want to use LDAP for. For example, take a naive approach: your router crashes. It comes back up. It receives 130,000 prefixes that it needs to validate. For each prefix, your router must do

look for contact @Nordnet France

2003-03-03 Thread Pascal Gloor
I'm looking for a contact @Nordnet France, concerning a DNS problem. I have tried all ways to contact you... but unfortunatly I cant escalade over the 1st level support which doesnt understand my problem. Please contact me off-list. Thanks, P.

Re: Tools

2003-03-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, maa 3, 2003, at 17:30 Europe/Amsterdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So not functioning properly is preferable to depending on a tempting target for proper functioning? what is not functioning properly? Determining who is authorized to announce a certain block of IP address space.

RE: Who uses RADB? [was BGP to doom us all]

2003-03-03 Thread Jim Deleskie
As I remember and I could be wrong, its been a few years now, when I worked for iMCI we did and we moved over to CW we still did. -Jim -Original Message- From: Danny McPherson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Who uses

Re: Who uses RADB? [was BGP to doom us all]

2003-03-03 Thread Danny McPherson
Yes, at iMCI (we) had our own registry, MCI-RR, but we only used it (in addition to data from the other IRRs) to generate customer prefix filters, not peers. Cable Wireless still uses the RR, now know as CW-RR. -danny As I remember and I could be wrong, its been a few years now, when I

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread Michael . Dillon
For example, take a naive approach: your router crashes. It comes back up. It receives 130,000 prefixes that it needs to validate. For each prefix, your router must do an LDAP query. Then take a smarter approach: your router crashes. It comes back up and your network management system

OT: Need the name of a good Qwest account rep.

2003-03-03 Thread joe mcguckin
I need to order some Qwest circuits. Is there an ISP account group? Can someone recommend a good account manager to work with? Thanks, Joe

Re: anti-spam vs network abuse

2003-03-03 Thread Richard Irving
Honestly people, to summarize all this... Legislation is not the correct knee jerk response to technical challenges... Lawyers and Politicians just -think- it is Perhaps related to perceiving themselves as important to the problem, eh ? And, that also happens to create a situation where

Re: Tools

2003-03-03 Thread bmanning
On maandag, maa 3, 2003, at 17:30 Europe/Amsterdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So not functioning properly is preferable to depending on a tempting target for proper functioning? what is not functioning properly? Determining who is authorized to announce a certain block of IP

Re: Tools

2003-03-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, maa 3, 2003, at 18:41 Europe/Amsterdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is not functioning properly? Determining who is authorized to announce a certain block of IP address space. no protocol is going to help with this problem. its a social engineering issue, not a

Fw: ISS Security Brief: Remote Sendmail Header ProcessingVulnerability

2003-03-03 Thread Matt Fearnow
Not that this is concerned with any network equipment or network operations per say, but I'm sure that alot of you do run sendmail. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Internet Security Systems Security Brief March 3, 2002 Remote Sendmail Header Processing Vulnerability Synopsis: ISS X-Force

RE: Who uses RADB? [was BGP to doom us all]

2003-03-03 Thread Jim Deleskie
I know when we separated Concert from iMCI we where using the filters on them, and they IMO would have been a peer, but then again Concert sould have been a special case either way. -Jim -Original Message- From: Danny McPherson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003

Re: BGP to doom us all

2003-03-03 Thread E.B. Dreger
JB Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:45:37 -0600 JB From: Jack Bates JB Personally, I think ARIN handling routing information is an JB excellent idea. It has to be separate from SWIP though, as U it's nice to be able to change routing information in a timely fashion without needing intensive

spamcop.net?

2003-03-03 Thread blitz
Anyone having trouble getting to/ know of any issues with spamcop.net today? They seemed to have dropped off the radar from me... No pings No traceroute but they still show registered at 216.127.43.89 Tnx Marc macronet.net

Re: spamcop.net?

2003-03-03 Thread Will Yardley
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 09:41:21PM -0500, blitz wrote: Anyone having trouble getting to/ know of any issues with spamcop.net today? They seemed to have dropped off the radar from me... No pings No traceroute but they still show registered at 216.127.43.89 One of my customers wrote

Re: spamcop.net?

2003-03-03 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, blitz wrote: Anyone having trouble getting to/ know of any issues with spamcop.net today? They seemed to have dropped off the radar from me... No pings No traceroute but they still show registered at 216.127.43.89 laptop ~]$ t 216.127.43.89 80 Trying

Re: spamcop.net?

2003-03-03 Thread Martin Hannigan
Not for nothing, but there's so much time wasted with all these diversified spam systems. I've been reading about Barry Shein's proposals and I have to say I am on board with a centralized -single- system based on his young, but intelligent, model.

Re: spamcop.net?

2003-03-03 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Martin Hannigan wrote: Not for nothing, but there's so much time wasted with all these diversified spam systems. I've been reading about Barry Shein's proposals and I have to say I am on board with a centralized -single- system based on his young, but intelligent,