Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User negligence?)

2003-07-29 Thread Peter Gray
For a laugh, take a look at this spammer site, www.ushplans.com, currently hosted by Net Access Corporation. It claims to be US Health Plans Inc., The Nations (sic) Leading Dental Plan but its head office appears to be a mail drop box in New Jersey and its only known employee appears to be a

Learning more about authentication and passwords

2003-07-29 Thread Sean Donelan
If you would like to learn more about the strengths and weaknesses of various authentication methods, I highly recommend the book Authentication: From Passwords to Public Keys by Richard E. Smith ISBN: 0201615991

Is there a technical solution to SPAM?

2003-07-29 Thread Michael . Dillon
Anyone who believes that SPAM can be solved by technical means should try googling one of the following: sms spam i-mode spam IM spam It should be clear that spam is really a social problem, not a technical one and therefore the solutions will be found in the social, political and legal

Re: Learning more about authentication and passwords

2003-07-29 Thread Dave Israel
On 7/29/2003 at 04:37:01 -0400, Sean Donelan said: If you would like to learn more about the strengths and weaknesses of various authentication methods, I highly recommend the book Authentication: From Passwords to Public Keys by Richard E. Smith ISBN: 0201615991 I'll add: Network

Re: Learning more about authentication and passwords

2003-07-29 Thread Jason Dixon
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 09:37, Dave Israel wrote: On 7/29/2003 at 04:37:01 -0400, Sean Donelan said: If you would like to learn more about the strengths and weaknesses of various authentication methods, I highly recommend the book Authentication: From Passwords to Public Keys by

RE: Is there a technical solution to SPAM?

2003-07-29 Thread Bob German
I disagree. While you're right that it is a social problem, it is also a technical problem in that those of us charged with protecting our networks and equipment need to be able to discuss methods of engineering our networks to counteract SPAM while the social, political and legal issues are

PSI (UK/Europe) out ??

2003-07-29 Thread Peter Galbavy
PSInet Europe (at least my hosted prefix - 146.101.245.xxx) has dropped off the 'net. Not visible via LINX etc. Anyone got any info ? I have been in a voice queue for 5 minutes and being asked to leave a message or hold further. I guess something is broken. rgds, -- Peter

Re: PSI (UK/Europe) out ??

2003-07-29 Thread Peter Galbavy
Thorsten Toenges wrote: you're flapping too much :) I wish it were me, but we are not doing BGP at that site. Sigh. Thanks for looking. Still on hold - the uaul recorded platitudes about 'experts' and 'you are important'. Peter

Re: PSI (UK/Europe) out ??

2003-07-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
Power failure in Telehouse... Thorsten Toenges wrote: you're flapping too much :) I wish it were me, but we are not doing BGP at that site. Sigh. Thanks for looking. Still on hold - the uaul recorded platitudes about 'experts' and 'you are important'. Peter

Re: PSI (UK/Europe) out ??

2003-07-29 Thread Martin Hepworth
Peter Galbavy wrote: PSInet Europe (at least my hosted prefix - 146.101.245.xxx) has dropped off the 'net. Not visible via LINX etc. Anyone got any info ? I have been in a voice queue for 5 minutes and being asked to leave a message or hold further. I guess something is broken. rgds, -- Peter

Re: PSI (UK/Europe) out ??

2003-07-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
To be clear Telehouse in London.

Re: PSI (UK/Europe) out ??

2003-07-29 Thread Peter Galbavy
Martin Hepworth wrote: yeah seems to have a few min outage. came back very slow now OK again... Yep. Our net is now back. I will be interested in PSI's explanation of why a power failure at Telehouse (London) killed their LHC site. If anything interesting turns up, I will let NANOG know.

Re: PSI (UK/Europe) out ??

2003-07-29 Thread Martin Hepworth
Peter Galbavy wrote: Martin Hepworth wrote: yeah seems to have a few min outage. came back very slow now OK again... Yep. Our net is now back. I will be interested in PSI's explanation of why a power failure at Telehouse (London) killed their LHC site. If anything interesting turns up, I will

Re: Is there a technical solution to SPAM?

2003-07-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:24:29 BST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: training. Part of it will come from teaching people network etiquette, part from teaching them that spam is not a way to make money, and part of Ralsky apparently has a $700K house. I don't. Now explain to me again the part about

North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Roy
This article seems to imply that North American networks don't care about IP V6 while the rest of the world is suffering great hardship http://www.msnbc.com/news/945119.asp PS. Please don't shoot the messenger

Re: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Roy wrote: This article seems to imply that North American networks don't care about IP V6 while the rest of the world is suffering great hardship Is there any truth to this anyway? Am I too idealistic to believe that IP numbers will be equally alotted to APNIC, ARIN

RE: Is there a technical solution to SPAM?

2003-07-29 Thread Austad, Jay
Make it more of a hassle for them. Ralsky apparently gets *bags* of junkmail everyday because mad people signed him up for everything under the sun. If everyone faxed a 600 page document of why spam is bad to any fax numbers in the email, maybe some places would start to get the point. Fill

Re: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Russell Heilling
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 08:37:32AM -0700, Roy wrote: This article seems to imply that North American networks don't care about IP V6 while the rest of the world is suffering great hardship http://www.msnbc.com/news/945119.asp PS. Please don't shoot the messenger The technical

Re: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Petri Helenius
Is there any truth to this anyway? Am I too idealistic to believe that IP numbers will be equally alotted to APNIC, ARIN and RIPE and that this has been the case all along? I mean, there are certain entities in the US with /8:s and these might have a specific advantage, but is this really

RE: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Daryl G. Jurbala
The reference to 70% of people in Europe having a web enabled phone made me laugh too... although I guess it could be true - my last 3 mobile phones have all had WAP capability, but I don't know of anyone that actually uses this feature. I actually use mine. But it's behind a proxy, as

RE: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread St. Clair, James
Please somebody correct me..Can't a provider simply NAT the IPv4 at his gateway, and stream IPv6 to as many wireless customers as he can lock into a painful long-term contract? (just kidding!) The demand for /8's won't change any, and you can IPv6 and eat your cake too. I do understand the v4 to

Re: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Petri Helenius
So far I have yet to see a mobile network implementing IPv6, though I haven´t looked closely to the japanese ones. Despite all the hype, most mobile vendors don´t even have shipping wares that would do ipv6 in the first place. The usual implementations are ipv4 with huge NAT boxes, quite like

Re: Is there a technical solution to spam?

2003-07-29 Thread Richard Cox
(Subject line quotes adjusted to avoid infringing Hormel's trademark!) On 29 Jul 2003 13:24 UTC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Anyone who believes that spam can be solved by technical means snip is missing the point completely. Social controls placed on spam by some network operators, and by

OT,..

2003-07-29 Thread Michael Hallgren
.. but anyway: someone informed on planned role of policyanalysismarket.org ? Out of curiosity, mh

Re: OT,..

2003-07-29 Thread Scott Weeks
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Michael Hallgren wrote: : .. but anyway: someone informed on planned role of : policyanalysismarket.org ? They're headed to webpage Goobersville? It's just a page with a link to a hosting company. WTF??? scott unix tel policyanalysismarket.org 80 Trying

Re: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Simon Lyall
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Petri Helenius wrote: The mobile ip address demand is not going to be too great when a megabyte in most countries costs $10 to $20 to move around. Over here the monopoly Telcom charges approx $US 0.50 per Megabyte see:

Re: OT,..

2003-07-29 Thread Timothy Brown
The site was certainly operational earlier today, and some of the pages that were served from it were still in my cache. It all seems to have been removed wholesale now, however. (Earlier today they just removed the images from prominent pages, now none of the links work at all). You can

RE: OT,..

2003-07-29 Thread Lapinski, Michael (Research)
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29WIRE-PENT.html explains it all. Interestingly enough this stuff was presented by the program lead, Michael Foster, to a group of people here yesterday and it is a very cool concept. He stressed multiple times that this wasnt betting and

Re: North America not interested in IP V6

2003-07-29 Thread Petri Helenius
Here it´s about $20 for 100M and then about $2/megabyte. (I wonder who is doing their calculations which seem an order of magnitude off when crossing the magic barrier, but we´ve seen phone companies with strange calculators before) However, it seems to take some time before these tariffs will

WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions

2003-07-29 Thread Lane Patterson
We have some DDoS-sensitive customers asking us to refer them to the best ISPs for in-the-core DDoS defense. Other than UUnet (hi Chris!) and MFN, I'm not aware of any ISPs in North America developing a reputation for consistent DDoS defense. Could folks contact me either off-list or