Re: East Coast outage?

2003-08-18 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use hydrogen. One solar panel (which will last forever unless you drop something on it) can split H2O into H and O. Solar panels do not last forever. In fact, they degrade rather quickly due to the radiation damage to the semiconductor (older thin

Off-topic followups [Was: Re: East Coast outage?]

2003-08-18 Thread Rafi Sadowsky
Hi Guys I must say I'm enjoying all of these fascinating off topic followups but isn't about time to move this discussion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? -- Thanks, Rafi -- Rafi Sadowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Operations Center | VoiceMail:

RE: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread St. Clair, James
Capacity isn't the problem. The problem is that there aren't enough lines between the providers and consumers to carry the current volume. Eric A. Hall Exactly, and everyone on this list should realize this exists in EVERY utility. A quote from CNN.com, Money section: However, the wireless

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Scott McGrath
A measured response is needed. Obviosly we do not want the vulnerabilities disclosed to bored teenagers looking for excitement. We need controlled access to this data so that those of us who need the data to fix vulnerabilities can gain access to it but access is denied to people without a

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Scott , On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Scott McGrath wrote: A measured response is needed. Obviosly we do not want the vulnerabilities disclosed to bored teenagers looking for excitement. We need controlled access to this data so that those of us who need the data to fix vulnerabilities

Natural Gas Generator manufacturer opinions? (might be off topic?)

2003-08-18 Thread Drew Weaver
Hi, we're looking to purchase our 3rd natural gas generator and need some opinions about the different manufacturers, off-list is fine if you like. Thanks, -Drew

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Scott McGrath
Remember that Dig Safe is implemented on a state by state basis some of the programs like the one you describe are dreadful. The one in my home state is fairly thorough in checking bona fides before providing the data I believe in setting a fairly low bar for access to this information i.e. can

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Scott McGrath wrote: Remember when you go to a library to study rare manuscripts you generally need to prove to the curator that you have a legitimate scholarly interest in the documents not simply random curiousity. That's because those old manuscripts are fragile, not

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Remember that Dig Safe is implemented on a state by state basis some of the programs like the one you describe are dreadful. The one in my home state is fairly thorough in checking bona fides before providing the data ?

benevolent ms blaster variant

2003-08-18 Thread Len Rose
This might be noteworthy: http://de.trendmicro-europe.com/enterprise/security_info/ve_detail.php?id=55745VName=WORM_MSBLAST.DVSect=T

RE: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled

2003-08-18 Thread St. Clair, James
Hmm...I didn't even know XP had a built-in firewall. Any bets on how long it is before other companies with software firewall products bring suit against Microsoft for bundling a firewall in the OS? -- No clue, but I can tell you how long it will last before ISP helpdesks disable

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Scott McGrath
Information should be free. This however assumes that people will be _responsible_ for what is done with the information. On Manuel and Jose - with a valid permit number they get the information if Bubba and Joe do not have a _valid_ permit number they do not get the information because in the

Re: Windows update down again?

2003-08-18 Thread Kai Schlichting
On 8/17/2003 at 5:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just come back now. Must have been a temporary holding page while they did some maintenance. On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I was just updating a couple of Windows machines and had been

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information should be free. This however assumes that people will be _responsible_ for what is done with the information. On Manuel and Jose - with a valid permit number they

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Scott McGrath
We have a permutation of this in NH. When the hole is greater than 1' deep we need a permit. This does illustrate the difficulties though we have too much government interference now. _but_ we do need some way of ensuring that information is used responsibly and I do not think that a

Re: general? monitoring and statistics

2003-08-18 Thread Wayne
Poking around a little on one of the URLs on your page, I came across the more specific set of Operational Info for the NY Independent System Operators: http://www.nyiso.com/oasis/index.html#opinfo Jon Torrez wrote: Thanks, I am slowly creating a list of this available information

Re: MPLS ICMP Extensions

2003-08-18 Thread Haesu
It would be cool to update the NANOG Traceroute with MPLS extensions. -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:26:34AM +0200, Jesper Skriver wrote: On Thu, Aug 14,

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread alex
The Dig Safe program might be a good model for controlling access to Sean's work. This would not preclude further scholarship on Sean's work but it would keep the data out of the hands of the 31337 crowd. Huh ?, Try this on for size , Hello , I am joe's contracting

yipes! in 401

2003-08-18 Thread alex
Hello, Have anyone taking IP from yipes at 401 North Broad in PHL seen any interesting issues with them over last two weeks? Please reply off the list. Oh, and if anyone from Yipes and Williams feels like explaining how they can stuff what it claims to be a gige on traceroutes

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread alex
The Dig Safe program might be a good model for controlling access to Sean's work. This would not preclude further scholarship on Sean's work but it would keep the data out of the hands of the 31337 crowd. Huh ?, Try this on for size , Hello , I am joe's contracting

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Jay Hennigan
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason for that is that if one does not call call before dig, one would be liable. If one does call and misunderstands, the survey company would be liable. So those companies prefer to leave very clear marks. The way it works in California is

Re: MPLS ICMP Extensions

2003-08-18 Thread Duncan Meakins
Where can one get a current copy of Nanog-Traceroute...? From my googling it appears to have gone out of favour, and I can't seem to find any current repository of source... -- Duncan Meakins, Network Engineer Quadratic Technologies E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (604) 741-8551 -- -

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

2003-08-18 Thread Omachonu Ogali
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:28:44PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: So, the US Government wants to classify Sean Gorman's student project. The question is did Mr. Gorman's maps divulge the vulnerability in the East Coast power grid that resulted in the blackouts this week? Would it be better to

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Oh io?

2003-08-18 Thread Omachonu Ogali
And here we all go again, talking about something we have no clue about. In case you have forgotten, I would like to remind you all of certain things (in no particular order). You ARE NOT: a) electric utilities b) independent system operators c) utility workers who actually climb poles d)

Re: Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Oh io?

2003-08-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, aug 18, 2003, at 23:11 Europe/Amsterdam, Omachonu Ogali wrote: You ARE: f) END USERS OF THE U.S. POWER INFRASTRUCTURE If only we had been, all of this would have been unnecessary... I wouldn't be surprised if for at least half of your you are not list there would be one or more

ATT US Network Slowdown?

2003-08-18 Thread Paul Jasa
Dear Nanogers, Is anyone aware of a slowdown issue throughout the US ATT network since 8/18 at around 4pm which is causing a lot of internet circuits (including DSL) to be inaccessible and/or appear down from the outside world? ATT says this has been escalated to Level 4 with no ETA and

Re: ATT US Network Slowdown?

2003-08-18 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Paul Jasa wrote: Dear Nanogers, Is anyone aware of a slowdown issue throughout the US ATT network since 8/18 at around 4pm which is causing a lot of internet circuits (including DSL) to be inaccessible and/or appear down from the outside world? ATT says this has been escalated to Level 4