Re: GLBX ICMP rate limiting (was RE: Tier-1 without their own backbone?)

2003-08-29 Thread Jack Bates
Temkin, David wrote: We've noticed that one of our upstreams (Global Crossing) has introduced ICMP rate limiting 4/5 days ago. This means that any traceroutes/pings through them look awful (up to 60% apparent packet loss). After contacting their NOC, they said that the directive to install th

Atm-t1 8t1-ima

2003-08-29 Thread Ejay Hire
Hi all. Can anyone tell me if the 8 port IMA network module is supported in the 3640s? I used the Compatibility tool, and it said I'd be good with 12.2.11 YT but I'm having no success. Any advice is appreciated. *Mar 1 00:00:05.211: %PA-2-UNDEFPA: Undefined Port Adaptor type BD in bay 2 Cis

Re: Atm-t1 8t1-ima

2003-08-29 Thread Charles H. Gucker
Even tho this isn't Cisco TAC, provided you have a valid CCO account, go to: http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/front.x/Support/HWSWmatrix/hwswmatrix.cgi charles On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 07:32:19PM -0500, Ejay Hire wrote: > > Hi all. Can anyone tell me if the 8 port IMA network module is > supporte

Re: Atm-t1 8t1-ima

2003-08-29 Thread Bruce Pinsky
Ejay Hire wrote: Hi all. Can anyone tell me if the 8 port IMA network module is supported in the 3640s? I used the Compatibility tool, and it said I'd be good with 12.2.11 YT but I'm having no success. Any advice is appreciated. *Mar 1 00:00:05.211: %PA-2-UNDEFPA: Undefined Port Adaptor type

Re: GLBX ICMP rate limiting (was RE: Tier-1 without their own bac kbone?)

2003-08-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jack Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Are people idiots or do they just not possess equipment capable of > trashing 92 byte icmp traffic and letting the small amount of normal > traffic through unhindered? Well, when we used the policy routing example from the Cisco advisory

Re: GLBX ICMP rate limiting (was RE: Tier-1 without their own backbone?)

2003-08-29 Thread alex
> Once upon a time, Jack Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Are people idiots or do they just not possess equipment capable of > > trashing 92 byte icmp traffic and letting the small amount of normal > > traffic through unhindered? > > Well, when we used the policy routing example from the Cis

Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread John Brown
Seems like QWEST doesn't have any edge ACL's in place to deal with this lovely worm issue. Count Source Prexix, rounded up to a /16 144 208.46.0.0 199 65.114.0.0 347 208.45.0.0 462 65.118.0.0 486 65.119.0.0 702

Re: Fw: GLBX ICMP rate limiting (was RE: Tier-1 without their ownbackbone?)

2003-08-29 Thread Sean Donelan
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > perhaps a change in vendors is in order? I can't see why people would lie > about this, or why they'd listen to the 'request' from DHS in the first > place ;( Oh well. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,57804,00.html Mike Fisher, Penns

Re: Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread Danny McPherson
Not sure how many places you intend to post this or related messages, but if you've got a problem vote with your money. Whining to NANOG and a slew of other mailing lists and still giving money to Qwest seems silly to me... Likewise, the Qwest folks likely aren't quite as clueless as you've attempt

Re: Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread John Brown
Sorry to those that may be on other lists. Given general operational nature, I posted to NANOG, so that: 1. money can talk, others will see one view of this provider 2. operationally maybe something will get done 3. policy wise maybe this provider will change its policy 4. Qwest said their peop

Re: Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread Randy Bush
> The other thing I learned from QWEST IP-NOC was that it seems > managment decided *NOT TO* filter packets related to this worm > issue at the edge.. an isp of any non-trivial size, has one or more customers who are either in the security business or in security research. also ip behavior bu

Re: Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread Dave Stewart
At 11:36 PM 8/28/2003, Danny McPherson wrote: Not sure how many places you intend to post this or related messages, but if you've got a problem vote with your money. Whining to NANOG and a slew of other mailing lists and still giving money to Qwest seems silly to me... Agreed... Likewise, the Qwe

Re: Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread Randy Bush
> I dunno... in my experience, is pretty clue-free. when folk want to pay $50/mb, how much clue do we think isps can pay for, especially to deal with peak clue loads such as this last week or two? yes, money talks. but in many ways. randy

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Michel Py
Susan, > It just ticks me off because I know there are a lot of > others who will be in this boat. Indeed, there are. I have numerous small customers that have either a single static IP or a /29 block from {Pacific Bell | your ISP} and that occasionally are blocked because either the block is ma

Re: Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread Danny McPherson
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 09:51 PM, John Brown wrote: Given general operational nature, I posted to NANOG, so that: 1. money can talk, others will see one view of this provider Don't talk with other peoples money, talk with your own. If you plan to post to NANOG, it'd be a wise assumption

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Ray Wong
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:29:42PM -0700, Michel Py wrote: > However, trying to be pragmatic, this is a situation that will > eventually solve by itself: Since having {Pacific Bell | your ISP} do > anything about it is not an option, when these customers are trying to > email to {AOL | some ISP} a

Re: Fw: GLBX ICMP rate limiting (was RE: Tier-1 without their ownbackbone?)

2003-08-29 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Sean Donelan wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > perhaps a change in vendors is in order? I can't see why people would lie > > about this, or why they'd listen to the 'request' from DHS in the first > > place ;( Oh well. > > > http://www.wired.com

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo All! On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Michel Py wrote: > Indeed, there are. I have numerous small customers that have either a > single static IP or a /29 block from {Pacific Bell | your ISP} and that > occasionally are blocked because either the block is marked as > residential or the reverse lookup con

Re: Hey, QWEST clean up your network

2003-08-29 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Randy Bush wrote: > when folk want to pay $50/mb, how much clue do we think > isps can pay for, especially to deal with peak clue loads > such as this last week or two? > > yes, money talks. but in many ways. Doesn't work this way. It is much better to have one clueful g

Re: Dealing with infected users (Re: ICMP traffic increasing on most backbones Re: GLBX ICMP rate limiting

2003-08-29 Thread Petri Helenius
Vadim Antonov wrote: It should be pointed put that the ISPs have their share of blame for the quick-spreading worms, beause they neglected very simple precautions -- such as giving cutomers pre-configured routers or DSL/cable modems with firewalls disabled by default (instead of the standard "end-

Re: London Power outage

2003-08-29 Thread Will Hargrave
On Thursday 28 August 2003 22:00, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > I saw it on CNN but it sounds like it wasnt as bad as they wanted to make > out.. frmo what I was told none of the major colos which are all in the > East lost utility and I dont know about stuff in the South which is where > the power w

QWEST...STOP CALLING ME WITH.......

2003-08-29 Thread Gerardo Gregory
Anyone that works for Qwest (Spirit of Service.HA HA HA HA HA) and can actually stop having your clueless NOC personnel from calling me at the flipping early hours of the morning because your non working proactive monitoring system keeps opening pro active tickets. No one has yet to verify

Sprint NOC? Are you awake now?

2003-08-29 Thread neal rauhauser
I've just upgraded a Cisco 7206 for a customer with a DS3 and we're now ready to take full routes. No one is answering at support, email has gone unanswered for thirty minutes - if someone at the Sprint NOC is awake please call Neal or Mike at 402-426-6136 - we'd really like to get this done b

Re: Sprint NOC? Are you awake now?

2003-08-29 Thread neal rauhauser
I didn't know their NOC number, puck.nether.net is down, normal phone channels lead to voicemail jail. Sorry to disturb your morning but its much easier to complete by 0600 than to have five counties worth of users dialing a phone right next to where you're working. Simon Lockhart wrote: >

The Cidr Report

2003-08-29 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Aug 29 21:47:55 2003 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table Hist

Apology to the list

2003-08-29 Thread Gerardo Gregory
I apologize to the list for including a subject line in all caps regarding my attempt to contact someone at Qwest to fix this "pro active monitoring" issue I have. I hope that someone from that network contacts me since all other normal channels of communication that they provide to their cust

DShield reports by AS for 'Blaster' and other issues

2003-08-29 Thread Johannes B. Ullrich
I setup a 'real time' report by AS to assist networks in finding infected systems. The URL: http://www.dshield.org/asreport.php This report is intended for automated parsing, so it comes as a simple tab delimited table with brief 'usage' header. You can filter by target port, protocol and AS.

Paypal off-the-air?

2003-08-29 Thread John Ferriby
It seems that PayPal is off-the-air. We're seeing all connections die via uunet and sprint routes. Anyone know what's going on? -John -- John Ferriby - PGP Key: www.ferriby.com/pgpkey Fingerprint: 3B78 10AF A1B2 20D0 A5D9 983F 96FF D5BB CF11 BA97

Re: Paypal off-the-air?

2003-08-29 Thread Gerardo Gregory
I dont think so...been doing a few paypal transactions since around 6 AM, actually just finished one a few minutes ago, and actually just logged into my account before sending this out It's not paypal Rico John Ferriby writes: It seems that PayPal is off-the-air. We're seeing al

Re: Paypal off-the-air?

2003-08-29 Thread Allan Liska
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, John Ferriby wrote: > > It seems that PayPal is off-the-air. We're seeing all connections die via > uunet and sprint routes. Anyone know what's going on? > It may just have been a temporary thing, I am able to reach the site fine from here, and it traces through UUNET

Re: Paypal off-the-air?

2003-08-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
> > > It seems that PayPal is off-the-air. We're seeing all connections die via > uunet and sprint routes. Anyone know what's going on? Get a new transit provider? NetBSD$ telnet www.paypal.com 80 Trying 65.206.229.16... Connected to www.paypal.com. Escape character is '^]'. GET /

Re: Paypal off-the-air?

2003-08-29 Thread Jason Dixon
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 09:45, John Ferriby wrote: > It seems that PayPal is off-the-air. We're seeing all connections die via > uunet and sprint routes. Anyone know what's going on? I recall they were going offline from 12:30am to 3:00am Pacific Time for maintenance. I'm not seeing any proble

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Jack Bates
Gary E. Miller wrote: Maybe if PacBell (and others) actually disciplined their more out of control DSL customers then other ISPs would not feel the need to do it for them. It doesn't matter. A large percentage of open proxies are on dynamic DSL. Since a lot of ISPs will not handle proxy reports an

Re: Dealing with infected users (Re: ICMP traffic increasing on most backbones Re: GLBX ICMP rate limiting

2003-08-29 Thread Omachonu Ogali
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 03:09:22PM -0700, Vadim Antonov wrote: > It should be pointed put that the ISPs have their share of blame for the > quick-spreading worms, beause they neglected very simple precautions -- > such as giving cutomers pre-configured routers or DSL/cable modems with > firewalls

DNS root name service in Helsinki.

2003-08-29 Thread Lars-Johan Liman
Just for your information: I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET, the root name server traditionally based in Stockholm, Sweden, has taken its first step outside the country, by deploying a clone in Helsinki, Finland, in cooperation with FICIX, the Finnish Internet Exchange. The Helsinki clone uses anycast and is a

RE: Sprint NOC? Are you awake now?

2003-08-29 Thread Mark Borchers
Sprint's support contact structure is rather specialized, rather than one-size-fits-all. http://www.sprint.net/contacts.html Could you kindly verify that you've tried the right place before sending NANOG to General Quarters? Thanx > I didn't know their NOC number, puck.nether.net is down,

Re: Sprint NOC? Are you awake now?

2003-08-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 05:14:49AM -0500, neal rauhauser wrote: > I didn't know their NOC number, puck.nether.net is down, normal phone Uh, puck is fine. http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi?ispname=sprint > channels lead to voicemail jail. Sorry to disturb your morning but its > mu

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Michel Py
>> Michel Py writes >> eating some email from no reason, having limits in attachment >> size, you can't have a mailing list that way, etc. > Roland Perry wrote: > Isn't this where we started? One ISP I know decided to limit > customers to 200 outgoing recipients a day. Great for stopping > spamme

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Jack Bates
Michel Py wrote: If ISPs don't want people to run SMTP servers on their DSL line they should provide a top-notch smarthost, which most don't. The one's that don't provide a top-notch smarthost usually don't handle abuse complaints either. Just what do they do for their customers? I'm curious.

port 554 scans?

2003-08-29 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Anyone know what the source of the recent increase in scans of port 554 are? http://isc.incidents.org/port_details.html?port=554 I cant find any related virus/worms using this? Maybe its nothing, just some abuse complaints we got from port 554 scanning... Steve

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Michel Py
>> Michel Py wrote: >> If ISPs don't want people to run SMTP servers on their DSL >> line they should provide a top-notch smarthost, which most >> don't. > Jack Bates wrote: > The one's that don't provide a top-notch smarthost usually > don't handle abuse complaints either. True. sigh. > Just

Re: Fw: GLBX ICMP rate limiting (was RE: Tier-1 without their ownbackbone?)

2003-08-29 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > That was a ccourt order, not much any US based corporation can do about > that, eh? Oh, yeah, and it didn't help stop any child pornographers, all > it did was hide their tracks from the authorities :( I suspect most ISPs in the US will follow l

RE: Measured Internet good v. "bad" traffic

2003-08-29 Thread JC Dill
At 02:45 AM 8/28/2003, David Schwartz wrote: > No that wouldnt work, that was be an analogy to non-usage based > eg I buy a 10Mb port from you and you dont charge me extra for > unwanted bandwidth across your network.. The point is that 'usage' is supposed to be 'what you use', not what so

Blaster author identified, about to be arrested...

2003-08-29 Thread JC Dill
(08-28) 20:31 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI has identified a teenager as the author of a damaging virus-like infection unleashed on the Internet and plans to arrest him early Friday, a U.S. official confirmed Thursday. The 18-year-old, whose name and hometown was not immediately available, w

dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Austad, Jay
Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buildings connected to the same CO? When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about. -jay

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Pendergrass, Greg
Neither do we. Could you include some more details? -Greg -Original Message- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2003 17:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dry pair Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buil

Re: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Rick Ernst
Have you tried ordering it as an "alarm circuit"? Also, it seems like telcos are less willing to provide dry pair anymore. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: :> :>Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry :>pair between two buildings connected to the sam

Re: port 554 scans?

2003-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
554 is a port associated with rtsp... There is a real helix server vulnerability that may be associated with those probes... http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/75/334900/2003-08-19/2003-08-25/0 yeah: http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/08.25.THCREALbad.c.php int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Omachonu Ogali
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:06:10AM -0400, Roland Perry wrote: > Here's another tale of undeliverable email. It seems that [at least] one > of those organisations you mention assigns IP addresses for its ADSL > customers from the same blocks as dial-up. Which means that > organisations using MAPS-D

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread JC Dill
At 08:37 AM 8/29/2003, Jack Bates wrote: Michel Py wrote: If ISPs don't want people to run SMTP servers on their DSL line theyshould provide a top-notch smarthost, which most don't. The one's that don't provide a top-notch smarthost usually don't handle abuse complaints either. Just what do the

Re: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread William Warren
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html Pendergrass, Greg wrote: Neither do we. Could you include some more details? -Greg -Original Message- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2003 17:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dry pair Does anyone know

Re: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread David Meyer
>> Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry >> pair between two buildings connected to the same CO? >> >> When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about. Try ordering a LADS circuit (they come in 2 or 4 pair). Dave

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Ejay Hire
He's looking for two wires between two buildings with no switching equipment on them. You'll have better luck if you ask for an "Alarm Pair", but everyone's nomenclature is different. -Ejay -Original Message- From: Pendergrass, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 29, 20

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Austad, Jay
I also tried asking for an Alarm Circuit. I even explained to them what it was, but they still didn't understand. All of the people I talked to wondered why in the world I would want a pair with no dialtone. Too bad a I can't just bribe a qwest tech with a few beers to patch it through for me.

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Temkin, David
Order it as an "alarm circuit"... At least that's how VZ recognizes it in NY. -Dave -Original Message- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dry pair Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to pa

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Ejay Hire
Perhaps because smart engineers are sticking $50 CellPipe 50S units on each end and running 2.3mbps across them for less than a third the cost of same-co T1? -Original Message- From: Rick Ernst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:19 AM To: Austad, Jay Cc: [EMAIL PR

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, aug 28, 2003, at 20:10 Europe/Amsterdam, Paul Vixie wrote: Play with DNS MX records like QMTP does. here are at least two problems with this approach. one is that an mx priority is a 16 bit unsigned integer, not like your example. another is that spammers do not follow the MX prot

RE: dry pairs

2003-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
It's genrally called a lads circuit. joelja On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Pendergrass, Greg wrote: > > Neither do we. Could you include some more details? > > -Greg > > -Original Message- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 August 2003 17:08 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subj

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Paul Vixie
> But how about this: in addition to MX hosts, every domain also has one or > more MO (mail originator) hosts. Mail servers then get to check the address > of the SMTP server they're talking to against the DNS records for the > domain in the sender's address. Then customers who use an email addres

Re: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Ray Wong
Good luck getting one from anything but and old-bell. New LECs tend to think only in terms of the switch side, since the last mile belongs to the ILEC anyway. Even the ones that know it don't want to support it, as they can't do any remote testing when it dies, requiring local "wire and cable"

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Mark Segal
In Canada they are sometimes referred to as c-loops. You could try that... But, they are hard to get.. And impossible to get repaired :). Mark -- Mark Segal Director, Network Planning FCI Broadband Tel: 905-284-4070 Fax: 416-987-4701 http://www.fcibroadband.com Futureway Communications In

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Omachonu Ogali
> trusted-mx.crocker.com uses DNSRTTL (Real Time Trust List) to only > accept connections from IPs it trusts. Hate to break up your envisionary experiences and insight into reinventing the wheel, but what happened to consideration of SMTP authentication?

Re: dry pairs

2003-08-29 Thread David Meyer
>> It's genrally called a lads circuit. BTW, LADS == Local Area Data Service. Dave >> >> joelja >> >> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Pendergrass, Greg wrote: >> >> > >> > Neither do we. Could you include some more details? >> > >> > -Greg >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Austad, Jay

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Omachonu Ogali wrote: |>trusted-mx.crocker.com uses DNSRTTL (Real Time Trust List) to only |>accept connections from IPs it trusts. | | | Hate to break up your envisionary experiences and insight into | reinventing the wheel, but what happened to consid

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Iljitsch van Beijnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >But how about this: in addition to MX hosts, every domain also has one >or more MO (mail originator) hosts. Mail servers then get to check the >address of the SMTP server they're talking to against the DNS records

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Simon Lockhart
> >But how about this: in addition to MX hosts, every domain also has one > >or more MO (mail originator) hosts. Mail servers then get to check the > >address of the SMTP server they're talking to against the DNS records > >for the domain in the sender's address. Then customers who use an email

Trusecure estimate: one in three companies infected by blaster

2003-08-29 Thread Sean Donelan
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=3359768 One in three North American companies are estimated to have had at least some of their computers infected since Blaster emerged in early August, according to new data from Internet security laboratory ICSA.

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Simon Lockhart wrote: > I travel around. I read my email by POP3/IMAP, I use local ISP's SMTP > server for outgoing - surely that means I can't use my own domain for > email? Time to switch to SMTP AUTH and use the same relay always. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: [EMAIL

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Randy Neals (ORION)
Here is the Qwest Tariff (assuming your in Colorado.) http://tariffs.uswest.com:8000/docs/TARIFFS/Colorado/COAC/co_a_c_s007p00 1.pdf#USW-TOC00 See sheet 16, near the bottom of the page... It looks like you want an NB3 circuit with DC continuity. -R >-Original Message- >From: [EMA

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Vivien M.
[Note: I posted something else on this topic, but it doesn't appear to have made it through yet...] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mikael Abrahamsson > Sent: August 29, 2003 3:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fun new po

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Matthew Crocker
I travel around. I read my email by POP3/IMAP, I use local ISP's SMTP server for outgoing - surely that means I can't use my own domain for email? Your ISP should support SMTP_AUTH with TLS for you. You would continue to use their mail servers no matter where you are or how you are connected to

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Vivien M. wrote: > And what do you do if you're not the admin for the relay? And what about if > the admin tells you "This is why we installed some webmail package. Use that > instead."? You switch service provider or give them a whack with the cluebat. -- Mikael Abrahamss

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Vivien M.
> -Original Message- > From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: August 29, 2003 3:44 PM > To: Vivien M. > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Fun new policy at AOL > > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Vivien M. wrote: > > > And what do you do if you're not the admin for the re

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Jack Bates
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: You switch service provider or give them a whack with the cluebat. Some providers don't support auth do to the insecure passwords their users have. Having your server opened up to relay spam because your user had a bad password is not a good prospect. -Jack

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread JC Dill
At 12:32 PM 8/29/2003, Vivien M. wrote: > Time to switch to SMTP AUTH and use the same relay always. And what do you do if you're not the admin for the relay? And what about if the admin tells you "This is why we installed some webmail package. Use that instead."? Either the webmail solution meet

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Matthew Crocker
You switch service provider or give them a whack with the cluebat. And if the "service provider" is your employer/educational institution? You quit your job? Drop out of school? Swallow your pride and suffer with webmail? Spend $19.95 getting a dialup account for an ISP with a clue and use thei

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Vivien M.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matthew Crocker > Sent: August 29, 2003 3:58 PM > To: Vivien M. > Cc: 'Mikael Abrahamsson'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fun new policy at AOL > > > > >> > >> You switch service provider or give

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Vivien M.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of JC Dill > Sent: August 29, 2003 3:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Fun new policy at AOL > > > > At 12:32 PM 8/29/2003, Vivien M. wrote: > > > > Time to switch to SMTP AUTH and use the

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread JC Dill
At 12:45 PM 8/29/2003, Vivien M. wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Vivien M. wrote: > > > And what do you do if you're not the admin for the relay? And what > > about if the admin tells you "This is why we installed some webmail > > package. Use that instead."? > > You switch service provider or give

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:47:50 CDT, Jack Bates said: > > Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > > > You switch service provider or give them a whack with the cluebat. > > > > Some providers don't support auth do to the insecure passwords their > users have. Having your server opened up to relay spam beca

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Matthew Crocker
You seem to be misunderstanding the issue. Let's say you work at someplace.edu. You want to send mail from home. With the SPF-type schemes being discussed, your mail MUST come from someplace.edu's server. If someplace.edu won't set up an SMTP AUTH relay, what do you do? Your dialup account will

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Vivien M.
> -Original Message- > From: Matthew Crocker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: August 29, 2003 4:16 PM > To: Vivien M. > Cc: 'Mikael Abrahamsson'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fun new policy at AOL > > Port forward 127.0.0.1:25 through to someplace.edu:25 using SSH. Or > VPN. Or ..

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Joseph McDonald
Is this being added to a bind 9 rewrite? If so, when can we expected it to be released? :) On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 04:47:58PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > But how about this: in addition to MX hosts, every domain also has one or > > more MO (mail originator) hosts. Mail servers then get to c

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Omachonu Ogali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >In which case, the telecommuters should use their organization's >mail servers with SMTP authentication (yes, authentication, not >pop-before-smtp). I'm a telecommuter, I'm also a freelance, so my organisation is "me". I l

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Randy Neals (ORION)
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>From what I recall there is no guarentee that the Qwest >tarrif for NB3 is actually a straight-through copper pair >[section 7.3.1.B.2.a.(4)]... note the restriction of >signaling frequency >see the Terms & Conditions in section 7.3.1.B.2.a.(2). By requesting a c

Re: Blaster author identified, about to be arrested...

2003-08-29 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JC Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >The FBI has identified a teenager as the author of a damaging virus-like >infection unleashed on the Internet and plans to arrest him early Friday, a U.S. >official confirmed Thursday. It always worries me when law enforcement

RE: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Drew Weaver
Then why not just pay a Virtual Mail hosting company to host a mail server for you via Imail or one of the other virtual email service packages out there. It is very inexpensive most of the time. That way you have the flexibility of having your own mail server, plus (most of the time) the server i

Re: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Patrick Felt
I have been following the thread very intensly since I read the article that William Warren posted. I also have two locations that I wish to connect, and we were looking at 802.11b with cantennas. This may not work because it looks like there are a lot of trees between the two locations, and the

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Jack Bates
JC Dill wrote: Either the webmail solution meets your needs, or you need to obtain service from a company that offers a solution that meets your needs. Why is this so hard to understand? Or people implement a protocol that doesn't break existing uses of the system (let's not forget the issues

RE: Measured Internet good v. "bad" traffic

2003-08-29 Thread David Schwartz
> At 02:45 AM 8/28/2003, David Schwartz wrote: > > > No that wouldnt work, that was be an analogy to non-usage based > > > eg I buy a 10Mb port from you and you dont charge me extra for > > > unwanted bandwidth across your network.. > > The point is that 'usage' is supposed to be 'what you > >

RE: Blaster author identified, about to be arrested...

2003-08-29 Thread Luke Starrett
Or possibly a scare tactic so the real offender will relax. Luke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Perry Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Blaster author identified, about to be arrested... I

Re: Blaster author identified, about to be arrested...

2003-08-29 Thread Crist Clark
Roland Perry wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JC Dill > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >The FBI has identified a teenager as the author of a damaging virus-like > >infection unleashed on the Internet and plans to arrest him early Friday, a U.S. > >official confirmed Thursday. > > It alwa

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Drew Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Then why not just pay a Virtual Mail hosting company to host a mail server >for you via Imail or one of the other virtual email service packages out >there. It is very inexpensive most of the time. That way you have the >flexi

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Jack Bates
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the provider allows the user to pick an insecure password, and then complains that they can't support a security measure because of their poor policy choices/enforcement? You have an easy way to change password enforcement of an existing user base? Dealing with people

Re: Blaster author identified, about to be arrested...

2003-08-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
> Or possibly a scare tactic so the real offender will relax. Maybe he is hiding with the WMD ;) Neil.

Re: Blaster author identified, about to be arrested...

2003-08-29 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Crist Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >---> Scanning mail for operational content... >-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\ >---> Operational content: 0.00% Next time one of your key operational staff is [mistakenly] arrested for possession [aka hosting] of some illicit material o

Re: Blaster author identified, about to be arrested...

2003-08-29 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> > Where is he "now" and why won't he remove himself to "somewhere a long > > way away", overnight? Obviously, there is something more complex > > happening here. "don't give that lamer credit for my code. Doh!"

Re: Fun new policy at AOL

2003-08-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:19:28 CDT, Jack Bates said: > I wouldn't recommend a policy change like that for any user base over > 10,000. So you're saying that because you've got too many users with dumb passwords, that's justification for not fixing it? ;) /Valdis (and yes, we're in the middle of a

Re: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Patrick Felt wrote: > > I have been following the thread very intensly since I read the article that > William Warren posted. > > I also have two locations that I wish to connect, and we were looking at > 802.11b with cantennas. This may not work because it looks like ther

RE: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread Randy Neals (ORION)
>How would an alarm company get around this? Would Qwest need >to run copper into the neighborhood if any one of the people >purchased an alarm? If not, how would the alarm company get >the signal pushed through the fiber, and could that be done >with the dsl signal? Most home/small busines

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