Re: MS's new antispam idea

2003-12-26 Thread Owen DeLong
It's an interesting concept... Now spammers will use a noticeable portion of the CPU on the boxes they've hijacked, instead of the currently virtually unnoticable portion of the resources, so, in that sense, it might help identify the owned boxes to their true owners. However, I think Micr0$0ft c

RE: MS's new antispam idea

2003-12-26 Thread David Schwartz
> > Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > > So either this doesnt work because spammers don't > > actually use their own PCs to send email > Indeed; it doesn't do any good against spammers that control large > numbers of zombie machines; they'll just distribute the processing load > all over the place. And

RE: MS's new antispam idea

2003-12-26 Thread Michel Py
> Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > So either this doesnt work because spammers don't > actually use their own PCs to send email Indeed; it doesn't do any good against spammers that control large numbers of zombie machines; they'll just distribute the processing load all over the place. And it would mak

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > > Pete Templin writes on 12/26/2003 7:18 PM: > > You're correct in saying that OOO messages from Exchange are offensive. How > > It is perfectly possible for a user on an exchange system to move his > mailing list subscriptions

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Pete Templin writes on 12/26/2003 7:18 PM: You're correct in saying that OOO messages from Exchange are offensive. However, I don't think you should necessarily consider the subscriber as the offender - I for one have no choice in what email software is run at my corporate office. Everyone in my

RE: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Pete Templin
You're correct in saying that OOO messages from Exchange are offensive. However, I don't think you should necessarily consider the subscriber as the offender - I for one have no choice in what email software is run at my corporate office. Everyone in my corporate IT group is so busy continual

Re: MS's new antispam idea

2003-12-26 Thread Doug Luce
It's too easy to introduce a worm that gives a spammer access to many teraflops of unwittingly collaborative computing resources. I can't imagine a compute-intensive puzzle scheme is going to do much more than the average iteration of a rule-based anti-spam filter. They'll just provide a tempora

Re: MS's new antispam idea

2003-12-26 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jeff Shultz" writes: > >I'm sure I've heard this one before, so it's not even a new idea... >hope whoever came up with it originally patented it. 8-) Then again, >maybe it was MS that I heard about the first time, and the Beeb is >simply late to the game here. Y

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
"Stephen J. Wilcox" wrote: > > > > Why do so many supposedly clueful people have their vacation message > > > system respond to mailing list email? > > > > Among the ones I found when I looked into the question with some > > rigor a few years ago were that mailing list traffic often no longer > >

Re: MS's new antispam idea

2003-12-26 Thread Jeff Shultz
** Reply to message from "Stephen J. Wilcox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:23:05 + (GMT) > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3324883.stm > > Ok so in summary you have to use a bit of CPU to solve a puzzle before it lets > you send email. > > So either this doesnt work beca

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > > > Again, if your auto-responder writes to *anyone*, it is broken, period. > > Then again, most of the autoresponders being sent to the list are from > Exchange. Which is broken, period. Most? Not "all"?? When/if I get tired o

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Stephane Bortzmeyer writes on 12/26/2003 9:30 AM: Again, if your auto-responder writes to *anyone*, it is broken, period. Then again, most of the autoresponders being sent to the list are from Exchange. Which is broken, period. -- srs (postmaster|suresh)@outblaze.com // gpg : EDEDEFB9 manager,

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Friday 26 December 2003, at 9 h 11, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I said is that the method proposed wouldn't cut down on OOOs to the > list. Yes, it will, in most cases. Let's take the following message: From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Suresh R

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Friday 26 December 2003, at 11 h 18, "Stephen J. Wilcox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Surely regardless of the presence of precedence you would never autoreply to an > email that wasnt addressed to you personally? And I add: in the To: field, not the CC: one.

MS's new antispam idea

2003-12-26 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3324883.stm Ok so in summary you have to use a bit of CPU to solve a puzzle before it lets you send email. So either this doesnt work because spammers dont actually use their own PCs to send email or we are talking about a whole new mail protocol, either w

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Stephane Bortzmeyer writes on 12/26/2003 9:07 AM: Why? There is Mail-Followup-To and you can set Reply-To yourself. And you can always edit your headers (or have a software which can do it automatically like mutt). Look - just how many mail clients (other than mutt / gnus) honor the M-F-T head

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Friday 26 December 2003, at 0 h 50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian) wrote: > > There are several other tests to perform (if you are a reasonable program, > > that is), before sending an "Out of the office" message. An obvious one is to > > see wether your human owner is mentioned i

Re: Out of office/vacation messages

2003-12-26 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
> > Why do so many supposedly clueful people have their vacation message > > system respond to mailing list email? > > Among the ones I found when I looked into the question with some > rigor a few years ago were that mailing list traffic often no longer > has a useful "precedence" value that was

The Cidr Report

2003-12-26 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Dec 26 21:47:48 2003 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table Hist