RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Michel Py
> Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > because legislating in the 'USA' something that is clearly > 'global' has worked so well? politicians looking to get: > 1) votes > 2) 'political bang for the buck' > 3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear > really need to stop trying to legislate behaviour in p

Re: WRED and QoS provisioning in ISP network

2004-08-31 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Shen) [Tue 31 Aug 2004, 13:28 CEST]: [..] > But, as I know WRED will bias normal TCP flows, while UDP and greedy > TCP flows(like BT download) will win in Bandwidth competition. What makes you think that BitTorrent's TCP sessions are in any way more `greedy' of bandwidth

Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) [Tue 31 Aug 2004, 01:06 CEST]: > Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement? Is traffic the problem? Whose anyway? Isn't the point of building a network to facilitate the exchange of data? -- Niels. -- Today's subliminal thought

RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P 2P

2004-08-31 Thread Brian Battle
Akamai or not, microsoft is overwhelmed by the demand for SP2, and today is giving the message listed below on windowsupdate: Download and install it now - Currently not available We are currently experiencing a high level of demand for Windows XP Service Pack 2, so please check back later f

Re: OT: Politics

2004-08-31 Thread list-nanog
gking> Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal gking> voting age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a gking> vote for president this November? And which candidate are you gking> voting for? Mail me in private and I'll summarize the results on gking> the

Re: OT: Politics

2004-08-31 Thread J.D. Falk
On 08/31/04, Lou Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 03:42:25PM -0400, Gary King wrote: > > > > Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal voting > > age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a vote for > > president this November? And

Re: OT: Politics

2004-08-31 Thread Lou Katz
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 03:42:25PM -0400, Gary King wrote: > > Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal voting > age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a vote for > president this November? And which candidate are you voting for? > Mail me in private and

RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Dave Hilton
To those of "authority", single-point-of-failure equates to "centralized control". With the word control in large neon capital letters. Dave Hilton Staff System Administrator entelos(r) Foster City, CA "Notice: I tend to become apprehensive when my position in the food chain becomes ambig

DNS Weather Report 2004-08-31

2004-08-31 Thread Daniel Roesen
[re-sent to NANOG alone... obviously Merit is filtering crossposts selectively, so neither last weeks report, nor this one got through] DNS WEATHER REPORT for selected infrastructure zones Issue 2004-08-31 Zones analyzed and their SOA contacts

OT: Politics

2004-08-31 Thread Gary King
Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal voting age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a vote for president this November? And which candidate are you voting for? Mail me in private and I'll summarize the results on the list.

Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Erik Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from the center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through legislation via WIPO etc. If they want to start back

Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Simon Waters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from the center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through legislation via WIPO etc. The truely novel P2P syste

RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Ted Fischer
Big Snip ... At 07:03 PM 8/30/2004, Sean Donlan postualted: Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement? Thank you, Sean. What does Peer-to-Peer mean, anyway. Unfortunately, lots of things. One could argue (I've seen a few replies re this subject hinting around this de

Re: WRED and QoS provisioning in ISP network

2004-08-31 Thread James
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 07:27:58PM +0800, Joe Shen wrote: > > Hi, > > We are evaluting whether we should implement DiffServ > Based e2e QoS provisioning in our network. Someone > recommend that WRED should be used on each node which > is setup to send traffic according to > DSCP/IP_precedence.

Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein)

2004-08-31 Thread Rob Nelson
Sorry, was it possible to search for a file from > millions of storage nodes in IRC? You could search from what was on the node you were querying. The difference, IMO, between DCC and P2P is that P2P allows all those people who were hitting the DCC bots, to be used as more storage. In other word

WRED and QoS provisioning in ISP network

2004-08-31 Thread Joe Shen
Hi, We are evaluting whether we should implement DiffServ Based e2e QoS provisioning in our network. Someone recommend that WRED should be used on each node which is setup to send traffic according to DSCP/IP_precedence. They disclame that DiffServ+WRED is the best solution for current network.

Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 31-aug-04, at 13:02, Petri Helenius wrote: In general, I think attempts to legislate the behavior of the internet are unlikely to have much effect on it's operation other than to make certain US companies less competitive and to make certain basic activities more difficult for the average user.

Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P

2004-08-31 Thread Petri Helenius
Owen DeLong wrote: In general, I think attempts to legislate the behavior of the internet are unlikely to have much effect on it's operation other than to make certain US companies less competitive and to make certain basic activities more difficult for the average user. However, there is going to

Re: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)

2004-08-31 Thread Peter Galbavy
Lars Erik Gullerud wrote: Then there's always the option to implement something else. Hm, where can I order a CARP license again...? ... which is why I think I used VRRP as an example - "ignore and replace" as opposed to "embrace and extend". In answer to Mark Borchers' point about the IETF draft