RE: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Neil J. McRae
Too many nogs- The RIPE NCC ran a Euro Operators forum that was probably the most useful. Neil.

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 13.09.2004 11:18 Neil J. McRae wrote: Too many nogs- The RIPE NCC ran a Euro Operators forum that was probably the most useful. 1. EOF is still alive though hardly visible/audible. 2. EOF is not a RIPE NCC activity. Arnold

RE: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Neil J. McRae
2. EOF is not a RIPE NCC activity. Who runs/funds/maintains it then? Neil.

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2004-09-13 Thread Abhishek Verma
Hi Nanogers, A brief introduction before i begin. I am Abhishek and am doing my masters in Comp Sc. from IT BHU. This is my first mail to Nanog, which i believe has the most number of network operators in its list. We have simulated a mini model of the Internet here in our labs with around 50

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Paul G
- Original Message - From: Neil J. McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Nicolas DEFFAYET' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Arnold Nipper' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Ken Gilmour' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:18 AM Subject: RE: European Nanog? Too many nogs- The RIPE

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Sabri Berisha
On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 09:16:33PM +0200, Michel Renfer wrote: Hi, The NOG philosophy don't work in Europe. That's not correct. The concept works in switzerland with SwiNOG very well - at least two meetings every year and a good organized communitiy behind SwiNOG. Agree, here in .nl we

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 13.09.2004 11:37 Neil J. McRae wrote: 2. EOF is not a RIPE NCC activity. Who runs/funds/maintains it then? EOF is run my itself and has a status as a RIPE WG, hence imbedded in RIPE. Arnold

Re: 30 Gmail Invites

2004-09-13 Thread Michael . Dillon
And here I thought I was the only one to seriously consider blocking gmail (to and from) because of the security implications. I find it interesting how many people are concerned with sending email to gmail users yet are quite willing to send email to public mailing lists that are archived

RE: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Neil J. McRae
So the RIPE NCC - thanks. EOF is run my itself and has a status as a RIPE WG, hence imbedded in RIPE.

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 13.09.2004 12:20 Neil J. McRae wrote: So the RIPE NCC - thanks. EOF is run my itself and has a status as a RIPE WG, hence imbedded in RIPE. As already noted here a couple of times: RIPE != RIPE NCC Although MERIT is organizing NANOG meetings, no one would say: MERIT ==

RE: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Neil J. McRae
As already noted here a couple of times: RIPE != RIPE NCC Although MERIT is organizing NANOG meetings, no one would say: MERIT == NANOG. Right? I love the obsession that people have with this! You can state what you like, but the income from the NCC is what mostly funds the

Re: 30 Gmail Invites

2004-09-13 Thread Petri Helenius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone really believe that people will use gmail as their one and only email account? Perhaps they are really using it for trading DIVX encoded movies. After all, the cost of sending a DIVX encoded movie from one gmail.com mailbox to another gmail.com mailbox is

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 13.09.2004 12:52 Neil J. McRae wrote: As already noted here a couple of times: RIPE != RIPE NCC Although MERIT is organizing NANOG meetings, no one would say: MERIT == NANOG. Right? I love the obsession that people have with this! You can state what you like, but the income

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Arnold Nipper wrote: As already noted here a couple of times: RIPE != RIPE NCC Although MERIT is organizing NANOG meetings, no one would say: MERIT == NANOG. Right? Not quite. As far as I'm concerned, NANOG is part of MERIT activities. And while I'm not

Re: 30 Gmail Invites

2004-09-13 Thread Curtis Maurand
Hell, I couldn't even log into it. The system was Temporarily unavailable when I tried. Curtis Petri Helenius wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone really believe that people will use gmail as their one and only email account? Perhaps they are really using it for trading DIVX encoded

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 13.09.2004 13:27 william(at)elan.net wrote: I'm not so certain about RIPE NCC to RIPE relationship though, I suspect that RIPE NCC is a subset (RIR services or) larger RIPE organization that is involved in other activities, i.e. RIPE NCC RIPE No, that's not true. There is no order

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Roland Perry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Gilmour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Does anyone know of a list like nanog for Europe? I would be interested in subscribing... If your network is member of LINX or AMS-IX you will find there some private lists which discuss a European flavour of many of the things I

Re: 30 Gmail Invites

2004-09-13 Thread Richard Cox
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:03:57 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it interesting how many people are concerned with sending email to gmail users yet are quite willing to send email to public mailing lists that are archived and indexed by Google. There is in most cases a significantly lower

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Ken Gilmour
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:28:36 +0530, the mental interface of Suresh Ramasubramanian told:  Daniel Roesen [12/09/04 20:32 +0200]:  But when it comes to mailing list traffic volume, there is no  companion that I'm aware of.  I rather believe that's a feature, not a bug I'd rather have no mails

Sender-ID denied by IETF?

2004-09-13 Thread Jeff Wheeler
Top story on Slashdot: http://it.slashdot.org/it/04/09/13/1317238.shtml?tid=172tid=95tid=218 Zocalo writes The MARID working group at the IETF responsible for deciding on which extensions to SMTP will be used to try and prevent spoofing of the sender has made their decision. At issue was

Re: Sender-ID denied by IETF?

2004-09-13 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 10:58:13AM -0400, Jeff Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 19 lines which said: Top story on Slashdot: http://it.slashdot.org/it/04/09/13/1317238.shtml?tid=172tid=95tid=218 Warning: this is probably non-operational content. I suggest to move the discussion

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2004-09-13 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
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Provider/NAP filtering policies

2004-09-13 Thread JDeane
Greetings. I was hoping someone could point me in the direction of provider/NAP prefix filtering policies. Most important to me is UU and Cogent, but a concise listing of notables would be much appreciated. Regards, Jade Jade E. Deane Senior Network Engineer SunGard Futures Systems SunGard

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Arnold Nipper wrote: On 13.09.2004 11:18 Neil J. McRae wrote: Too many nogs- The RIPE NCC ran a Euro Operators forum that was probably the most useful. 1. EOF is still alive though hardly visible/audible. 2. EOF is not a RIPE NCC activity. I'd agree that

Re: Provider/NAP filtering policies

2004-09-13 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was hoping someone could point me in the direction of provider/NAP prefix filtering policies. Most important to me is UU and Cogent, but a concise listing of notables would be much appreciated. Just to clarify, NAPs or Internet

RE: Provider/NAP filtering policies

2004-09-13 Thread JDeane
My apologies, allow me to make a clarification. When I mentioned NAPs, I was referring more to provider peering policies _AT_ a NAP, rather than a NAP's peering policies which of course as you pointed out would be moot. Being relegated to closed enterprise environments for the past few years,

Re: Provider/NAP filtering policies

2004-09-13 Thread bmanning
Greetings. I was hoping someone could point me in the direction of provider/NAP prefix filtering policies. Most important to me is UU and Cogent, but a concise listing of notables would be much appreciated. Jade E. Deane perhaps this would be helpful.

Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Randy Bush
2. EOF is not a RIPE NCC activity. actually, it is. but it did not used to be. randy

RE: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Randy Bush
You can state what you like, but the income from the NCC is what mostly funds the other RIPE activities, in which case its all the same to me, does the EOF live on a RIPE.NET server? Yes. Who funds those servers? more to the point, who decided meeting content? essentially daniel karrenberg

Any Kine NOGs? Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Scott Weeks
: The NOG philosophy don't work in Europe. : simply not true. Check out SwiNOG http://www.swinog.ch/ : : And there's NordNOG. Anyone got a list of all english language NOG mailing lists? So far I have AFNOG, SwiNOG (apparently some in english) and SANOG. Thanks, scott

Re: Any Kine NOGs? Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Bill Woodcock
: The NOG philosophy don't work in Europe. : simply not true. Check out SwiNOG http://www.swinog.ch/ : And there's NordNOG. Anyone got a list of all english language NOG mailing lists? So far I have AFNOG, SwiNOG (apparently some in english) and SANOG. NZNOG

Upcoming NANOG ARIN Meetings

2004-09-13 Thread Charlie Khanna - NextWeb
Hi, I've been to previous NANOG meetings and have found them to be very useful. Can someone shed some light for me on the ARIN meetings? I guess I want to know if it worth attending? ARIN folks - please be kind... :) PLEASE REPLY OFF-LIST. Thanks, Charlie

Re: Any Kine NOGs? Re: European Nanog?

2004-09-13 Thread Philip Smith
At 10:36 13/09/2004 -1000, Scott Weeks wrote: Anyone got a list of all english language NOG mailing lists? So far I have AFNOG, SwiNOG (apparently some in english) and SANOG. My little list includes: NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, JANOG, EOF, APOPS, SGNOG, NZNOG, NordNOG, SwiNOG, PACNOG So, North America,

Ivan damage...

2004-09-13 Thread Gary E. Miller
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Re: Upcoming NANOG ARIN Meetings

2004-09-13 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 03:26:09PM -0700, Charlie Khanna - NextWeb wrote: Hi, I've been to previous NANOG meetings and have found them to be very useful. Can someone shed some light for me on the ARIN meetings? I guess I want to know if it worth attending? ARIN folks - please be kind...

Re: Upcoming NANOG ARIN Meetings

2004-09-13 Thread Randy Bush
Can someone shed some light for me on the ARIN meetings? I guess I want to know if it worth attending? wanna watch sausage being made? but the arin sausage factory has become far less scary than apnic's or ripe's, by a long shot. randy

Re: Gb ethernet interface keeping dropping packet in ingress

2004-09-13 Thread Jeff Kell
If you're sniffing one gigabit port from a switch with much higher bandwidth, you're going to lose something. Our primary sensor sits on an aggregation switch just prior to hitting the net, and we have a 2Gb fast etherchannel span port defined and lose relatively little in terms of packet

RE: Gb ethernet interface keeping dropping packet in ingress

2004-09-13 Thread Joe Johnson
Now, we do try to monitor some things like that. We have several crons running checking the number of entries in the arp tables of our CPE devices at customer locations, as well as several crons dedicated to specific tell-tale signs of various worms and virii. One that helped out a lot recently

Re: Gb ethernet interface keeping dropping packet in ingress

2004-09-13 Thread Jeff Kell
Joe Johnson wrote: Now, we do try to monitor some things like that. We have several crons running checking the number of entries in the arp tables of our CPE devices at customer locations, as well as several crons dedicated to specific tell-tale signs of various worms and virii. Our list of

Sheesh, regulators

2004-09-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2004/09/11/stories/2004091102660400.htm ISPs may be stopped from offering private leased line services Thomas K. Thomas New Delhi , Sept. 10 INTERNET Service Providers (ISPs) are in for a major setback with the Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI)