Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10-nov-04, at 0:00, Leo Bicknell wrote: with the protocols still designed to work over IPv4 NAT, and the complexity of IPv6 NAT being roughly s/long/long long/g (yes, simplified, but you get my point) and recompiling your NAT code, I'm not sure what will be the barrier to IPv6 NAT. The main

RE: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Ray Plzak
This thread was started by Leo Bicknell on Mon Nov 08 14:28:16 2004. The original post stated: The IETF IPv6 working group is considering two proposals right now for IPv6 private networks. Think RFC-1918 type space, but redefined for the IPv6 world. Those two drafts can be found at:

Sandvine

2004-11-10 Thread Paul Bradford
I just want to thank everybody for the OL e-mails about sandvine...time will tell how successful service flow management tools like this will be... the geek inside sad bad bad bad messing with my packets Thanks, Paul -- Paul A. BradfordSenior Network Engineer

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Michael . Dillon
and do explain how a user coming in with their laptop and dialing a provider is gonna be affected by your nat If IPv6 had local scope addresses, then NAT would not be necessary to prevent traffic from flowing through the unauthorized link. I know that the IETF has deprecated local scope

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 14:46 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and do explain how a user coming in with their laptop and dialing a provider is gonna be affected by your nat If IPv6 had local scope addresses, then NAT would not be necessary to prevent traffic from flowing through the

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Randy Bush
If IPv6 had local scope addresses, then NAT would not be necessary to prevent traffic from flowing through the unauthorized link. yes. just like we see no 1918 leakage now. randy

Fwd: Consensus declared: IETF Administrative restructuring

2004-11-10 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
FYI. - ferg -- Forwarded Message -- On October 26, the IESG and IAB sent out a call for consensus to the IETF on administrative restructuring, referencing the Internet-Draft: - IAB and IESG Recommendation for IETF Administrative Restructuring

Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS DHCP Blocked Interface Denial-of-Service

2004-11-10 Thread Cisco Systems Product Security Incident Response Team
included in CSCdx46180 and is being tracked by Cisco Bug ID CSCee50294 ( registered customers only) . This advisory is available at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20041110-dhcp.shtml. Affected Products = This vulnerability was introduced by the fix for CSCdx46180

BGP question

2004-11-10 Thread adrian kok
Dear all Something I don't understand and would like you to help. 1/ for the url: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2002/08/12/multihoming.html I don't understand those 2 steps: - Register your routing policy in a Routing Registry. - Use looking glasses to see if your announcements are

Re: Status of FCAPS model? Useful? Obsolete?

2004-11-10 Thread Irwin Lazar
We see a lot of interest among enterprises in ITIL for IT service management, which I'm guessing would overlap the FCAPS framework. Is anyone investing it for the SP side? (what's ITIL? - http://www.ogc.gov.uk/index.asp?id=2261) Irwin From: Christian Kuhtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 09

Re: BGP question

2004-11-10 Thread Greg Schwimer
adrian kok wrote: I don't understand those 2 steps: - Register your routing policy in a Routing Registry. See: http://www.radb.net - Use looking glasses to see if your announcements are visible elsewhere on the Internet. See http://www.traceroute.org/#Looking%20Glass

Re: Status of FCAPS model? Useful? Obsolete?

2004-11-10 Thread Randy Bush
We see a lot of interest among enterprises in ITIL for IT service management, which I'm guessing would overlap the FCAPS framework. s/a lot of interest/we want to sell/

RE: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Tony Hain
Ray Plzak wrote: ... This is a valuable discussion but to a large extent the efforts can be considered as a non input into the working group as the discussion is not on their mail list. The IETF works best when people directly contribute to the discussion and consensus building process. I

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On tisdag 9 november 2004 16.32 + Alex Bligh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 09 November 2004 11:09 -0500 Leo Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to believe if the code can do IPv4-IPv6 NAT I want to see IPv4-IPv4 NAT working first... With sufficent thrust, pigs fly just fine.

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On måndag 8 november 2004 17.18 -0600 Adi Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RFC1918 addresses are perfect. My AFS, Kerberos, and active FTP sessions think that you are being very, very optimistic about the usability of non-unique adresses and kludgy middleboxen who think they understand

Re: Status of FCAPS model? Useful? Obsolete?

2004-11-10 Thread jm
I agree that there's alot of interest in ITIL but I'm not so sure it offers a conceptual model that makes sense of network management. ITIL is more generic that FCAPS so it would be like describing scientific method in terms of Aristotle's concepts of form and matter. Bad analogy? The

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Stephen Sprunk
First of all, as one of the proponents of ULAs in the IPv6 WG, I want to emphatically state that enabling IPv6 NAT was not the justification for ULAs. It might make doing so easier, which is unfortunate, but there are lots of other reasons that justify their creation and not creating ULAs is

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
since this is a few days late on the conversation someone might have said this but On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 8-nov-04, at 23:15, Leo Bicknell wrote: Well, if they can manage to interconnect all those networks a tiny amount of coordination isn't too much to ask

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Randy Bush wrote: In today's networks, printers do NOT need global addresses. let me make sure i understand this. in order not to have to pay for the address space for a my enterprise's printers, they are supposed to make separate ether runs to them parallel to all

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 11:51:10AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: Perhaps Nokia wants to make cellphones with a fixed IPv6 number - as it leaves the factory? -Hank However, if you can get addresses for free, and they are

RE: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Network.Security wrote: Depending on putting devices on 1918 for security is dangerous. - Simon J. Lyall. Agreed. RFC 1918 is a good idea, it's not the law, and with that ISP's are not required to do anything about 1918 addr's if they choose not to. We receive a

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Joe Maimon
Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Network.Security wrote: Depending on putting devices on 1918 for security is dangerous. - Simon J. Lyall. Agreed. RFC 1918 is a good idea, it's not the law, and with that ISP's are not required to do anything about 1918 addr's if they choose

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Randy Bush
I could be wrong, I am just a chemical engineer. If this was a distillation column or a raction vessel I might be more sure : actually, i think you happen to be one of the maybe 25% of participants in this discussion that is an actual operator on a real network. rarer and rarer. :-( and if

Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested

2004-11-10 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Randy Bush wrote: I could be wrong, I am just a chemical engineer. If this was a distillation column or a raction vessel I might be more sure : actually, i think you happen to be one of the maybe 25% of participants in this discussion that is an actual operator on a