RE: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Neil J. McRae
Mike, It seems to me they get paid to carry prefixes by their customers. And their peers listen to the prefixes because they make money by using those prefixes. I'm sure this type of statement helps drug dealers to sleep at night! :-) If the top 100 AS's de-aggregated and increased the

RE: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Neil J. McRae
Commercial reasons? The traffic goes to the 32x/24 instead of the /19. If that's the reason why the table is growing so much then we are all in deep deep trouble.

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Philip Smith
Neil J. McRae said the following on 12/02/2005 21:06: The issue we see is bad aggregation - the root cause is bad practise and processes that manifest into bad aggregation. I would argue that networks with poor aggregation are also networks that will tend to have more routeing issues and other

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Hi Philip, On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Philip Smith wrote: Quite often many service providers are de-aggregating without knowing it. They receive their /20 or whatever from the RIR, but they consider this to be 16 Class Cs - I'm not joking - and announce them as such to the Internet. I spend a lot

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: this is getting into what i was implying earlier.. you have wider experience than me - would you agree that most of the poor deaggregating is not intentional ie that they're announcing their '16 class Cs' or historically had 2 /21s and dont

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Philip Smith wrote: From my own Routing Report (due out in a couple of hours), a quick glance shows that the vast majority of the increase comes from ASNs assigned by ARIN (the ASNs from the other three registry regions show minimal increase in announcements). Duh! No

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Jon Lewis wrote: I've personally dealt with a customer not too long ago who when we turned them up was announcing 2 /20s, a /21, a /22, and several /23s and /24s all deaggregated as /24s. Sprint and Qwest (their other upstreams at the time) apparently had no problem

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Alexander Koch
On Sat, 12 February 2005 14:58:42 +, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: From: Stephen J. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] - would you agree that most of the poor deaggregating is not intentional ie that they're announcing their '16 class Cs' or historically had 2 /21s and Think about someone

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Alexander Koch wrote: I am not sure doing it the Swisscom way (they filter a lot) is the way to go, yet I would be curious how many routes they currently carry for a full route set. Ah, here it is: - route-views.oregon-ix.netsh ip bg su | incl 3303 164.128.32.11 4 3303 3351176 140593 74037481

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Vinny Abello
At 02:52 PM 2/12/2005, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Alexander Koch wrote: I am not sure doing it the Swisscom way (they filter a lot) is the way to go, yet I would be curious how many routes they currently carry for a full route set. Ah, here it is: - route-views.oregon-ix.netsh ip bg su | incl 3303

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Philip Smith
I split my Routing Analysis based on registry region so that the constituents of each region know what is going on in their area. As you know registries offer training if their membership ask for it. APNIC and RIPE NCC membership seem to ask for training other than just how to be an LIR. But

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Stephen, Stephen J. Wilcox said the following on 13/02/2005 00:58: that applies to medium and large providers too reading this list - how often do they actually check what prefixes they are sourcing, from my recent work at a couple of european IXes i had a number of folks email me offlist as

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Alexander Koch wrote: On Sat, 12 February 2005 14:58:42 +, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: From: Stephen J. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] - would you agree that most of the poor deaggregating is not intentional ie that they're announcing their '16 class Cs' or

Re: The Cidr Report

2005-02-12 Thread Jerry Pasker
Until there's deep shame, or real financial incentive to not being listed as a member of the dirty 30, nothing is going to happen in terms of aggregation. Unfortunately, an automated email going out to each of the dirty 30 weekly from the Cidr Report saying that their network again made the