I think this nicely summarizes it. If you answer these questions,
most people will be happy,
Henk
At 02:19 04/03/2005, Randy Bush wrote:
lorenzo,
i think we're ratholing here. can you tell us in simple words
o what you are trying to learn with your experiment and why
it will help us
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The Utah governor is deciding whether to sign a
bill that would require Internet providers to block
Web sites deemed pornographic and that could also
target e-mail providers and search engines.
http://news.com.com/Utah+governor+weighs+antiporn+proposal/2100-1028_3-5598912.html?tag=nefd.top
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:32:41 GMT
To: nanog@merit.edu
The Utah governor is deciding whether to sign a
bill that would require Internet providers to block
Web sites deemed pornographic and that could also
target e-mail providers and search engines.
Hey Guys,
I know this is a little off-topic, but would anyone close to the NYC/Long
Island area know of somewhere local that would carry 1u-compatible power
supplies? I need one on a fairly urgent basis, and I figure with all the
infrastructure, someone *has* to have run into this issue
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:
The Utah governor is deciding whether to sign a
bill that would require Internet providers to block
Web sites deemed pornographic and that could also
target e-mail providers and search engines.
From WiReD:
The U.S. Commerce Department has ordered companies
that administer internet addresses to stop allowing
customers to register .us domain names anonymously
using proxy services.
The move does not affect owners of .com and .net
domains. But it means website owners with .us domains
You missed a very important line in the article:
Internet providers in Utah must offer their customers a way to disable
access to sites on the list or face felony charges.
In other words you must provide a mechanism for a customer to opt-in
to a filter. Doesn't sound illegal to force an ISP to
On Mar 4, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Roy Engehausen wrote:
You missed a very important line in the article:
Internet providers in Utah must offer their customers a way to
disable access to sites on the list or face felony charges.
In other words you must provide a mechanism for a customer to opt-in
to
Roy Engehausen wrote:
You missed a very important line in the article:
Internet providers in Utah must offer their customers a way to disable
access to sites on the list or face felony charges.
In other words you must provide a mechanism for a customer to opt-in
to a filter. Doesn't sound
Richard Irving wrote:
I have a way. You want the Internet sites on this list blocked,
-here-, your account is now _disabled_.
You won't -ever- have to worry about accessing sites you don't like.
:P
This is another attempt to legislate something that
can be solved, or should be solved, with
What's the state of the art for automated network configuration and
management? What systems and tools are available, either freely or
commercially? Where are these issues being considered and discussed?
I'm not simply talking about network status monitoring systems like
HP OpenView, or
This does bring up a hardware design question...I'm wondering how
difficult of an engineering/marketing problem it would be to design
VoIP adapters with built-in backup batteries. How does the power
consumption profile of a VoIP adapter compare to, say, a cellphone?
What would this add to the
http://www.titan-central.com/
These guys pitched to us about 18 months ago. It looked quite nice, but
not really priced for Enterprise level money, not Service Provider
money. It would probably worth reinvestigating.
Robin Greenhagen
GSI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
First of all So what. Second what does this have to do with network
operations? This discussion went from ISP's blocking porn to gay
marriage.
Joine efnet and #politics if you want to talk about gay people, but
please spare us of the drama.
I would have just ignored this thread if it wasn't
Replying to myself...
Yes, I am aware that a battery backup in the VoIP adapter doesn't do
you much good if you don't have power on the cable/DSL modem and any
intermediate gear - or your wireless phone, for that matter...
That said, this could be a feature that customers could be looking for
Anyone have a clueful contact at Bank One? Their
ARIN POC info is some generic switchboard that is
completely unrelated to their allocation and who
refuses to connect you to anyone in datacomm if
you don't know a specific contact name to ask for.
They told me that they'd be happy to write down
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Actually, many of the EMTAs in the cable world derive AC power from the
coax... Powered inline just like all the amps are. At least the ones that
hang outside your house...
But with the Vonage idea of stuff inside your house that can't be done...
Old federal laws about the concept that the
Oki all,
For those of you in the Lower-48, plus Alaska and Hawai'i, I sent this to
my local ISP association. You can ignore it, ridicule it, or adapt it to
your state and pretend to have written it. I don't mind either way.
If you do want to try it chez vous, and you want my help (or
There are EMTAs cable modems with VoIP ATA's that have 4 hr battery in the
market already.
Sure. Many cable providers offer a superior form of VoIP that's
engineered to act like real phone service with reserved bandwidth to their
own switches and backup power for all the pieces on the way
Nanog Deform wrote:
First of all So what. Second what does this have to do with network
operations? This discussion went from ISP's blocking porn to gay
marriage.
Actually, gay marriage wasn't mentioned Living together isn't
marriage, and most common law marriage statutes have long ago
This does bring up a hardware design question...I'm wondering how
difficult of an engineering/marketing problem it would be to design
VoIP adapters with built-in backup batteries. How does the power
consumption profile of a VoIP adapter compare to, say, a cellphone?
What would this add to
--On Friday, March 04, 2005 11:06 AM -0500 Patrick W Gilmore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would unplug your cable qualify as a way to disable access?
In the same way the FCC allowed TV to so graciously implement the 'V-CHIP'
technology? I doubt it. Aside fromt he normal bents of Utah, I bet
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:02:30PM -0500, David Hubbard wrote:
Anyone have a clueful contact at Bank One? Their
ARIN POC info is some generic switchboard that is
completely unrelated to their allocation and who
refuses to connect you to anyone in datacomm if
you don't know a specific
Carry my VoIP traffic or else!!
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/70081/us-slaps-fine-on-company-blocking-voip.html
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Hey! It compiles!
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 4 11:44:17 2005
From: Christopher Woodfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More on Vonage service disruptions...
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:45:54 -0500
On Mar 3, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
Perhaps it varies by state, but I thought part of
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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Michael Loftis wrote:
Would unplug your cable qualify as a way to disable access?
In the same way the FCC allowed TV to so graciously implement the 'V-CHIP'
technology?
Does anyone actually know anyone that has
Any additional info. on this or whether it is just localized
or widespread?
http://isc.sans.org/diary.php
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Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
Engineering Architecture for the Internet
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Does anyone actually know anyone that has actually used the V-Chip?
Though I've personally never met him, I think Eric Cartman has:
http://members.tripod.com/~JB/southpark/vchip.wav
http://www.moviesounds.com/sp/vchip.mp3
Eric :)
Most proxy caches are jokes nowadays, anyway. In middle school, the local
district used a Microsoft Proxy server that blocked all sites except a
whitelist. When it took over 45 seconds to check a site against the
whitelist (and by that time, all but a few students knew the one and only
name and
Anyone else having reachability issues with Vonage? The past two days,
about this time (~2pm), we've been unable to reach www.vonage.com and
customers with vonage phones have lost their service.
My traces to them end with:
13. 64.200.88.173 0%8832 31 33
I'm seeing the same problem here from two points, dropping dead
inside/customer edge at ALTERalso can't get to their site. I don't
know about my Vonage phone at home though. I can check it when I finally
make it home tonight but by then it will probably clear upWhatever it
is, it's
Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/4/05 1:17:11 PM
Anyone else having reachability issues with Vonage? The past two
days,
about this time (~2pm), we've been unable to reach www.vonage.com and
customers with vonage phones have lost their service.
My traces to them end with:
13. 64.200.88.173
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/70081/us-slaps-fine-on-company-blocking-voip.html
I don't speak for BroadVoice, but this seams to be to be stupid. Why
should the government get involved in ISPs blocking ports? If customers
don't like it, go to a new provider, what country is this??
Frankly, I
- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: vonage routing issues
Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/4/05 1:17:11 PM
Anyone else having reachability issues with Vonage?
Seems to me that said company BroadVoice?
was attempting to prevent the use of VoIP in an effort to prevent competition
with it's current phone customers. It's
kind of a tough issue to deal with, if you think about it.
There are two sides to the issue:
1.) FCC doesn't want companies
preventing
..snip snip..
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 03:17:11PM -0500, Jon Lewis said something to the
effect of:
I got interrupted typing this, and I see that in the past 40 minutes
routing has changed...now it ends with
13. 0.so-5-0-0.XL1.NYC9.ALTER.NET 0%4442 41 42 42
14.
Any additional info. on this or whether it is just localized or
widespread?
Either it's not truly global, or the redirection does not happen at
the DNS level, or both. We don't see it on our sensors.
[Apologies to those of you seeing this twice; I'm reposting it without a
wayward References: header that inadvertently tracked this into an unrelated
discussion, which I suspect many folks may have already suppressed. -Brent]
What's the state of the art for automated network configuration and
I don't speak for BroadVoice, but this seams to be to be stupid. Why
should the government get involved in ISPs blocking ports? If customers
don't like it, go to a new provider, what country is this??
I'm curious how you'd feel if your local telephone company started
preventing you
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Nathan Allen Stratton wrote:
I don't speak for BroadVoice, but this seams to be to be stupid. Why
should the government get involved in ISPs blocking ports? If customers
don't like it, go to a new provider, what country is this??
Frankly, I don't see the point, any provider
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems to me that said company BroadVoice? was attempting to prevent the
use of VoIP in an effort to prevent competition
with it's current phone customers. It's kind of a tough issue to deal
with, if you think about it.
Hold, BroadVoice is a VoIP
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Nathan Allen Stratton wrote:
The fact is, the company was preventing it's users from using technology
offered by said company's competitors.
No, they are just preventing companies that are using port X, most
providers have figured out how to make VoIP work on any port.
It's a
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:54:33PM -0800, David Schwartz wrote:
I'm curious how you'd feel if your local telephone company started
preventing you from calling its competitors. How about if you suddenly
Your local telephone company is a regulated entity. It's required to
complete your
So who's going to be the IP cop that decided which actions are
anti-competitive and which actions are 'customer care'?
How many service providers oversubscribe their internet feed. Just because
the advertisement says 384k upstream and 2Mbps downstream doesn't mean
this is a guaranteed rate
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Christopher Woodfield wrote:
This does bring up a hardware design question...I'm wondering how difficult
of an engineering/marketing problem it would be to design VoIP adapters with
built-in backup batteries. How does the power consumption profile of a VoIP
adapter compare
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:59:52 -0500, Christopher Woodfield wrote:
Yes, I am aware that a battery backup in the VoIP adapter doesn't do
you much good if you don't have power on the cable/DSL modem and any
intermediate gear - or your wireless phone, for that matter...
That said, this could be a
On 3/4/2005 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are two sides to the issue:
1.) FCC doesn't want companies preventing other companies from competing.
2.) On the other hand, how do you tell a company what services it can or
can't block?
There's another factor here, which is that
On 3/4/2005 5:45 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
Vonage has fought tooth and nail to *not* be a regulated entity.
It's too early in the technology life-cycle for them to be treated that
way. I mean, you can get a phone number anywhere the service provider has
a pop, and if you want to feed
Bill Nash wrote:
At the root of it, it's deliberate anti-competitive behavior, and that's
what the fine is for. I'm generally fine to have the government stay out
of the internet as much as possible, but this move was the correct one,
as it was on behalf of the end consumer. It's not the
Vonage has fought tooth and nail to *not* be a regulated entity.
It's too early in the technology life-cycle for them to be treated that
way. I mean, you can get a phone number anywhere the service provider has
a pop, and if you want to feed that into existing 911 service systems
you've got a
On 3/5/2005 12:02 AM, John Levine wrote:
Vonage has fought tooth and nail to *not* be a regulated entity.
It's too early in the technology life-cycle for them to be treated that
way. I mean, you can get a phone number anywhere the service provider has
a pop, and if you want to feed that into
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