Re: Load balance over multiple bgp feeds

2005-04-23 Thread Olivier Bonaventure
Mike, I was wondering what everyone does to load balance over multiple bgp feeds. We currently have 5 bgp feeds with 2 providers. Do you just randomly pick networks, or use something like netflow to try and pick the best path. You might be interested by the following papers : S. Uhlig and O.

Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?

2005-04-23 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Dean Anderson wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Dean Anderson wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather expect this sort of behavior with anycasted servers... Where do you see any

RE: Root DNS Servers 2

2005-04-23 Thread Greg Schwimer
I've heard rumour that the problem is not limited to NS59 and NS60 at WORLDNIC.com, and that use of the the truncate bit is involved in some cases, forcing queries to use TCP. Original Message Subject: Re: Root DNS Servers 2 From: Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?

2005-04-23 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: oh well, I tried to stay quiet :) Probably the PPLB problem isn't quite as simple as: you have pplb you can't do anycast. I'd imagine that you have to have some substantial difference in the paths that the PPLB follows, yes? like links to differing

Re: [dnsop] Re: Root Anycast (fwd)

2005-04-23 Thread Dean Anderson
Here is a good mesage on the subject from DNSOP. It explains the PPLB loadbalancing on BGP links is not the only way the problem can arise. PPLB on interior links can also be a problem. The following statement from RFC 1546 is probably most significant: It is important to remember that

Re: Verizon Offering Naked DSL in Northeast...

2005-04-23 Thread Chris Woodfield
Probably to avoid the snafus of the early @Home rollouts, when at least one person was accused of stealing cable because the field tech installed her cable modem without an RF filter... http://www.joabj.com/Balt/CableRobbing.html -C On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Andy Johnson wrote: Alex

Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL? PPLB is not a good thing

2005-04-23 Thread Robert M. Enger
Per Packet Load Balancing is not TCP friendly. (this discussion is orthogonal to DNS) PPLB leads to packet reordering. Quite a few empirical and theoretical papers have been published (in peer reviewed fora and elsewhere) that discuss the negative consequences of packet reordering. A Google

Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?

2005-04-23 Thread Dean Anderson
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Been happening for many years. How do you think the original Boardwatch / Keynote speed tests were gamed? If you have any real experience on the Internet, you are well acquainted with anycast web servers. Gaming speed tests sounds

Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?

2005-04-23 Thread James
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:13:22PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: [ snip ] Well, PPLB isn't the end of the world. But PPLB is coming, and the smart people will be prepared for it. They dumb people, well, they're dumb. What can be expected from dumb people? With proliferation of high speed

DNS Round Robin

2005-04-23 Thread Roy
Something I seem to have found and wonder if anyone else sees this. One of my users has been using round robin DNS to attempt to load balancing using two IP addresses. A query for www.whatever gives both addresses with a TTL of zero. One address is obviously less than the other numerically.

Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?

2005-04-23 Thread alex
Been happening for many years. How do you think the original Boardwatch / Keynote speed tests were gamed? If you have any real experience on the Internet, you are well acquainted with anycast web servers. Let me, let me, let me! It involved an err... locating linux boxes with the

Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?

2005-04-23 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James) [Sat 23 Apr 2005, 23:10 CEST]: With proliferation of high speed circuits and continuing trend of lower cost of bandwidth, PPLB is becoming more obsolete for many people that implemented it in the past. What is becoming more common is non-PPLB based setup, such as