Google Said..... Was: RE: London incidents

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Steve Sobol > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:25 PM > To: North American Networking & Offtopic Gripes > Subject: Re: London incidents > > > > Jim Popovitch wrote: > > > I think the world has shown that

Re: London incidents

On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 06:11:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said: > > "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately > > before the crash. > > They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made

Comment - Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

Just spent the evening catching upon NANOG reading. IPv6, NAT, VoIP, address reclamation and routing scalability all in one thread - WOW. Truly a nice mix of top NANOG argument. Even one posting on sloppy IPv6 peering policy! So how many who write against IPv6 have tried it? For any who use I

Re: ICANN warns world of domain hijacking

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: > found that domain name hijacking incidents are commonly > the result of flaws in registration and related processes, And in other news: Researchers found today that the sun rises in the east, and sets in the west. Is ICANN actually going to

RE: London incidents

> -Original Message- > From: Sean Donelan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:50 PM > To: Hannigan, Martin > Cc: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: RE: London incidents > > > On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > > All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to u

Re: London incidents

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > --- "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No, it's damned if you take stupid action, damned if you do not do > > something you should. > > > > People in charge of our security should not be allowed to take > > whatever action

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

> > How are people making the case for IPv6 with [VOIP]? > > With G.711 and 20ms voice samples, with IPv4 you get: If you're running G.711, you've decided that network bandwidth isn't a problem for your application. Percentage of overhead doesn't really matter - it's total overhead bandwidth com

Re: London incidentsn

X-URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/technology/12auto.html?pagewanted=print The New York Times July 12, 2005 Hands-Free Cellphone Devices Don't Aid Road Safety, Study Concludes By JEREMY W. PETERS DETROIT, July 11 - A study of Australian drivers found that those using cellphones were fo

Re: London incidents

On 7/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on > > cellphones. > And the *other* 2/3rd of the calls were made on what, exactly? > > A land line just before departure, followed by a crash less than 10 minute

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 09:35:37PM -0400, David Andersen wrote: > samples to squeeze into a low bandwidth channel. Enter IP header > compression, which is shockingly effective at compressing IP headers of > all sorts... if you've dedicated 128 bits for the address, and it's > still just as sta

Re: London incidents

On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Crist Clark wrote: As for the "inattentive-risky driver" and "agitated driver" theories, the researchers took (tried to take) this into acount by using a case- crossover design whereby individual drivers are their own control. The drivers are "their own control

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Chelmsford suspect on the hook in cable-cutting case By Jessica Fargen Tuesday, July 12, 2005 A Chelmsford man allegedly tried to get rich in a snip by cutting Verizon and Comcast phone lines, then tried to get the companies to pay him to stop, prosecutors say. http://news.bostonherald.com/local

Re: London incidents

Jim Popovitch wrote: I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again before doing something? AFAIK "Emergency Only" mode allows for 911 calls, And means nothing if power is cut to the cell sites and

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

On Jul 12, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Phillip Vandry wrote: How are people making the case for IPv6 with popular applications like voice? With G.711 and 20ms voice samples, with IPv4 you get: 20 bytes IP + 8 bytes UDP + 12 bytes RTP + 160 bytes payload 20% overhead. 40 bytes IP + 32 bytes shim6 8 by

Re: London incidents

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Valdis.Kletni [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >--==_Exmh_1121206268_8796P >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said: > >> "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately >> before the cra

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

> With G.711 and 20ms voice samples, with IPv4 you get: > > 20 bytes IP + 8 bytes UDP + 12 bytes RTP + 160 bytes payload > 20% overhead. > > Now with IPv6. Say we use shim6 or something like that to implement > multihoming too. The shim6 header isn't decided yet, but I suppose it's > got to cont

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 09:46:53PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > It's getting better all the time, but there are still strange bugs in > the applications, OSes and even the standards. IPv6 works very well > for many things but not so well for others. Fortunately, there is > still plen

Re: London incidents

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said: "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately before the crash. They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on cellphones. And the *other* 2/3rd of the cal

Re: London incidents

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:26:33 +1200, Mark Foster said: > "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately > before the crash. > They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on > cellphones. And the *other* 2/3rd of the calls were made on what, ex

Re: London incidents

Mark Foster wrote: "Using phone company records, researchers assessed phone use immediately before the crash. There are 3 kinds of lies: lies damn lies statistics They found a third of calls in the 10 minutes before the crash were made on cellphones. This was assoc

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

On 12-jul-2005, at 19:52, Phillip Vandry wrote: In the mean time, we need SOME IPv6 so that the early adopters can find those kinks, and that part is right on track. How are people making the case for IPv6 with popular applications like voice? Dunno, but it can't be many. With G.711 and

Re: London incidents

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over >>to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again >>before doing something? > > > The logical conclusion to that line of thought w

Re: London incidents

On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 09:26:33AM +1200, Mark Foster wrote: > > Shutting down the networks just because they can be used to trigger a > > bomb is asinine, though, yes. > > Its the first step toward the Police State mentality that I fear is going to > develop over time. > And damned if I know wha

Re: London incidents

- Original Message - From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: London incidents > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:34:32PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > > The problem with mobile phones in the car has less to do with

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 06:43:17AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > And I'm still holding my breathe to see when a commercial company returns > > their /8. -Hank > > its already happened... over a dozen have been returned. I'd like to send thank you cards: who are they? :-) Cheers,

Re: London incidents

On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:34:32PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > The problem with mobile phones in the car has less to do with > taking a person's hand off the wheel (although that is something to > be concerned about), and more to do with the fact that the driver is > distracted by talkin

Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Dave Crocker wrote: "Roaylty-free" does not mean it can be used by everyone. it would probably help to debate the licensing details when folks have looked at the specific language of the licensing agreement(s). Not being lawyer myself, it would probably help to know op

Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF

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Re: London incidents

"I'm with stupid." ;-) - ferg -- Todd Vierling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > >Since the news this morning reported that service had been restored, > >one could assume it had been turned off. > > Partially restored: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/0

Re: London incidents

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > >Since the news this morning reported that service had been restored, > >one could assume it had been turned off. > > Partially restored: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/nyregion/12cell.html And as is commonplace with this kind of gross technolo

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Re: London incidents

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott W Brim writes: > >On 07/12/2005 13:51 PM, Adam Rothschild allegedly wrote: > >> Since the vent buildings are owned operated by the >> NY/NJ Port Authority, it seems conceivable they could have pulled the >> power if they wanted to. Whether or not they did is

Re: London incidents

--- "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was not speculating. From the post: > > > Then we have this: > > http://us.cnn.com/2005/US/07/11/tunnels.cell.phones.ap/index.html > > > > "The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs area > > transit hubs, bridges and

Re: London incidents

On 07/12/2005 13:51 PM, Adam Rothschild allegedly wrote: > Since the vent buildings are owned operated by the > NY/NJ Port Authority, it seems conceivable they could have pulled the > power if they wanted to. Whether or not they did is best left as an > exercise for the nanog-l army of political

Re: London incidents

On 2005-07-12-12:56:42, Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As for the "Emergency Only" mode, the original poster said _power was > > cut_ to the repeaters. Could you explain to me how this allows for > > 911 calls please? > > The original poster quoted a news report, how may times

Re: London incidents

On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: Billions of dollars, millions of person-hours, and more frustration than I can quantify is not a good price to pay for the infinitesimal increase in security (if any) we have received through decisions like this one. How can you accurately k

Clueful security contact at Adelphia?

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Re: London incidents

Francesco Usseglio Gaudi wrote: My little experience is that cell phones are in the most of cases nearly congenstion: a simple crow of people calling all together can shut down or delay every calls and sms GSM networks running TFR or EFR audio codecs have 8 timeslots on a cell. Usual 900M

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Re: London incidents

--- "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, it's damned if you take stupid action, damned if you do not do > something you should. > > People in charge of our security should not be allowed to take > whatever action comes to mind in the name of security. Then who should, a

Re: London incidents

On Jul 12, 2005, at 6:16 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 19:20 +0930, Mark Newton wrote: There's been -nothing- from the Brits to say that cellphones were involved in their explosions; And DHS says they haven't made any recommendations one way or the other; And there's no rea

Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF

On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 02:22:07PM +, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: > Yahoo and Cisco Monday plan to announce they will submit > their e-mail authentication specification, DomainKeys > Identified Mail (DKIM), to the IETF to be considered as > an industry standard. None of these have the sligh

RE: London incidents

> The logical conclusion to that line of thought would seem to > be that all cell phone services should be turned off in all > densely populated areas. Is this really what we want? > > (It's certainly not what *I* want.) Not sure about that, a life with no mobile phones? It certainly has its

Re: London incidents

My little experience is that cell phones are in the most of cases nearly congenstion: a simple crow of people calling all together can shut down or delay every calls and sms Francesco

Re: London incidents

An entity claiming to be Joseph S D Yao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 08:49:47PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: : > On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote: : > > > All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to use my : > > > mobile to ring the office. : > > : > > Some cel

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Re: London incidents

On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 08:49:47PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > > All this while I was trying unsuccessfully to use my > > > mobile to ring the office. > > > > Some cell relays were temporarily shut to prevent a remote > > detonation of additional e

ICANN warns world of domain hijacking

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Re: Openbsd fixes icmp protocol bugs apparently ignored by the IETF

On 12/07/05, Jared Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you speaking of this, or is it more vulnerability > marketing? > > http://www.niscc.gov.uk/niscc/docs/al-20050412-00308.html?lang=en This is it -- Suresh Ramasubramanian ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Openbsd fixes icmp protocol bugs apparently ignored by the IETF

On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 01:47:37PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > And the guy who did this says that someone at cisco called him a > terrorist, and that the IETF ignored him .. but Theo deRaadt believes > him, and puts his changes into the openbsd codebase. > > All for your basic ICMP

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Re: London incidents

> http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,39150177,00.htm > has what Sean was referring to. > >> UK Government officials deny they shutdown any cell phone service. In London, the mobile operators do not provide any service anywhere in the London underground network. The only place that I

Re: London incidents

> I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over > to detonate explosive devices. They can go back to alarm clocks with big bells. The point is people are only inconveniencing themselves in accepting such knee jerk responses in the name of fighting terrorists. The terro

Re: London incidents

At 6:16 AM -0400 2005-07-12, Jim Popovitch wrote: I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again before doing something? What do you suggest? Eliminating the entire mobile telephone indust

Re: London incidents

> I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over > to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again > before doing something? The logical conclusion to that line of thought would seem to be that all cell phone services should be turned off in all densel

Re: London incidents

On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 19:20 +0930, Mark Newton wrote: > There's been -nothing- from the Brits to say that cellphones were > involved in their explosions; And DHS says they haven't made any > recommendations one way or the other; And there's no reason to > believe that the threat to the New York

Re: London incidents

On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 10:57:55PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Nash writes: > >Would the folks posting news related events please footnote source URLS, > >especially if arguing over factual details? > > http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,390246

Openbsd fixes icmp protocol bugs apparently ignored by the IETF

And the guy who did this says that someone at cisco called him a terrorist, and that the IETF ignored him .. but Theo deRaadt believes him, and puts his changes into the openbsd codebase. All for your basic ICMP source quench / hard ICMP error exploits, from a quick read through http://kerneltra

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

At 11:52 PM 11-07-05 -0700, william(at)elan.net wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 08:41:04AM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote: At 12:24 PM 11-07-05 -0400, Rich Emmings wrote: According to IANA, (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space) MI