Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fred, seeing as there is not now, and likely never will be fixed versions for many of our routers (25xx, 17xx, ..., and i can't No? Logged in to ftp.cisco.com.

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, [iso-8859-1] Bjørn Mork wrote: Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fred, seeing as there is not now, and likely never will be fixed versions for many of our routers (25xx, 17xx, ..., and i can't No? Logged in to ftp.cisco.com. Current remote directory is /cisco.

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Neil J. McRae
note image size of 11/12/16 mb... note that many (most?) 2500's don't have 16M flash :( many, many referenced before (term servers for instance) are 2mb flash boxes. It's possible that Randy's referring to this sort of 2500. Kindly using himself for a whipping boy instead of the rest of

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, [iso-8859-1] Bjørn Mork wrote: Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fred, seeing as there is not now, and likely never will be fixed versions for many of our routers (25xx, 17xx, ..., and i can't No? Logged in to

RIPE NCC to begin allocating from new IPv4 range

2005-08-02 Thread leo vegoda
Dear Colleagues, This announcement is being sent to multiple lists. I apologise for duplicates. The RIPE NCC received the IPv4 address range 89.0.0.0 - 91.255.255.255 (89.0.0.0/8 and 90.0.0.0/7) from the IANA in June 2005. We expect to start making allocations from this range in the

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Neil J. McRae wrote: note image size of 11/12/16 mb... note that many (most?) 2500's don't have 16M flash :( many, many referenced before (term servers for instance) are 2mb flash boxes. It's possible that Randy's referring to this sort of 2500. Kindly using

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, [iso-8859-1] Bjørn Mork wrote: Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, [iso-8859-1] Bjørn Mork wrote: Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fred, seeing as there is not now, and likely never will be fixed versions for many of our

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Neil J. McRae
cons uptime is 1 week, 10 hours, 42 minutes System restarted by power-on System image file is flash:igs-i-l.111-9, booted via flash cisco 2511 (68030) processor (revision D) with 2048K/2048K bytes of memory. lather/rinse/repeat... where are the images that fit in my 2501's

Re: Tiscali switches to Public-Root?? What do you think?

2005-08-02 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Bjørn Mork wrote: The poor guy/gal at the other end of the line will need a really good answer. Does anyone here have one? to avoid being technical i guess the only answer would be to say this is a private service

VOIP provider

2005-08-02 Thread Shane Owens
Not really an operational question, but an engineering question non-the-less. This may also not be the most suitable forum, but there is a large brain trust here that can probably answer my questions. We are looking at a business plan to launch a large VOIP carrier globally. My questions

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Neil J. McRae wrote: cons uptime is 1 week, 10 hours, 42 minutes System restarted by power-on System image file is flash:igs-i-l.111-9, booted via flash cisco 2511 (68030) processor (revision D) with 2048K/2048K bytes of memory. lather/rinse/repeat...

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Neil J. McRae
no, but I'd like to... since I'm upgrading and all (for security reasons and ipv6 is so much better for security, right? :) ) ok so your issue is totally irrelvant to the recent ciscogate paranoia? Neil.

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 2 Aug 2005, at 08:24, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: no, but I'd like to... since I'm upgrading and all (for security reasons and ipv6 is so much better for security, right? :) ) It has quality of service, too! Let's not forget that!

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Neil J. McRae wrote: no, but I'd like to... since I'm upgrading and all (for security reasons and ipv6 is so much better for security, right? :) ) ok so your issue is totally irrelvant to the recent ciscogate paranoia? no... not really, not originally, it got

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Geo.
ok so your issue is totally irrelvant to the recent ciscogate paranoia? That would depend on what other exploits cisco has slipstream patched wouldn't it? (honest question as I don't know but it would be nice if cisco would clarify the situation) Geo. George Roettger Netlink Services

Re: NETGEAR in the core...

2005-08-02 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
On 7/31/2005 9:06 AM, Janet Sullivan wrote: Does anyone here have experiences to share (good/bad) about m0n0wall on soekris devices? I've used m0n0wall to great effect, and with pleasure, but alas not on a soekris box -- just on an old dell hanging out in the office. It worked like a champ.

[Administrivia]: Please end this Thread: RE: Cisco gate and Me et the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Malayter, Christopher
Good Morning, Perhaps Susan was not clear enough yesterday. The mailing list administrative committee would request that you allow this thread to stop. It has certainly outlived its operational usefulness. I am now reiterating that request. Regards, Chris Malayter NANOG Mailing List

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Neil J. McRae
So yes then. no... not really, not originally, it got morphed into something different :( So, the ciscogate paranoia, as near as I saw, got down to: cisco wont tell people about vulns as soon as they know about them (or some version of I don't get to know fast enough about vulns from a

Re: VOIP provider

2005-08-02 Thread Peter Dambier
Shane Owens wrote: Not really an operational question, but an engineering question non-the-less. This may also not be the most suitable forum, but there is a large brain trust here that can probably answer my questions. Oh, it does. It probably is the only way you get all those ip-phones

Re: [Administrivia]: Please end this Thread: RE: Cisco gate and Me et the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:28:58 CDT, Malayter, Christopher said: Perhaps Susan was not clear enough yesterday. The mailing list administrative committee would request that you allow this thread to stop. It has certainly outlived its operational usefulness. I am now reiterating that request.

Re: [Administrivia]: Please end this Thread: RE: Cisco gate and Me et the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that adding a This would be more on-topic/relevant on the XYZ list would help kill it here... Any suggestions where it would be more relevant? how about cisco-nsp? --

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
Current remote directory is /cisco. ncftp /cisco dir ios/12.3/12.3.15a/2500/ -rw-rw-r--1 518 11013444 Jul 25 14:50 c2500-c-l.123-15a.bin -rw-rw-r--1 518 12303148 Jul 25 15:17 c2500-i-l.123-15a.bin -rw-rw-r--1 518 16191744 Jul 25 14:34

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
note image size of 11/12/16 mb... note that many (most?) 2500's don't have 16M flash :( many, many referenced before (term servers for instance) are 2mb flash boxes. It's possible that Randy's referring to this sort of 2500. Kindly using himself for a whipping boy instead of the rest of us

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
I might be wrong, but I thought an image with IPv6 support required 16 MB flash on the 2500? could be. don't care. don't need ipv6 on terminal servers for oob access. Anyway, the upgrade path is there not really. randy

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Ranch
Hi Randy, I might be wrong, but I thought an image with IPv6 support required 16 MB flash on the 2500? could be. don't care. don't need ipv6 on terminal servers for oob access. But the vulnerability applies for only ipv6-enabled devices...

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
no, but I'd like to... since I'm upgrading and all (for security reasons and ipv6 is so much better for security, right? :) ) ok so your issue is totally irrelvant to the recent ciscogate paranoia? see the smiley? randy

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
But the vulnerability applies for only ipv6-enabled devices... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20050729-ipv6.shtml the general problem is definitely wider than the v6 hole. i believe, but of course could be wrong, that the april fix was a bit wider than v6. the blackhat/nanog

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread trainier
The nanog problem was clearly stated. It had nothing to do with the specific discussion, but more that the discussion contained instances where folks were being insulting and crude. Tim Rainier Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/2005 03:39 PM To Chris Ranch

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
I forget who suggested it actually, i was first, but others have followed but I like the request to move this to cisco-nsp. Any reason that isn't a better place than NANOG at this stage? i would guess that, if useful discussion is started on cisco-nsp, that the momentum will move there and

RE: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
The nanog problem was clearly stated. It had nothing to do with the specific discussion, but more that the discussion contained instances where folks were being insulting and crude. then address the insults and crudeness. randy

Re: Cisco gate and Meet the Fed at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Jeff Rosowski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 no, but I'd like to... since I'm upgrading and all (for security reasons and ipv6 is so much better for security, right? :) ) It has quality of service, too! Let's not forget that! I'd be happy with ssh. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

RE: Cisco gate - Payload Versus Vector

2005-08-02 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Randy Bush wrote: even without stiffling the heap check via crashing_already (i.e. a 'fix' is developed for that weakness), is the 30-60 second window sufficient to do serious operational damage. i.e. what could an attacker do with a code injection with a mean life as

RE: Cisco gate - Payload Versus Vector

2005-08-02 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 15:29 -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Randy Bush wrote: even without stiffling the heap check via crashing_already (i.e. a 'fix' is developed for that weakness), is the 30-60 second window sufficient to do serious operational damage. i.e. what could an

Telecoms Struggle As FCC e911 Compliance Deadline Nears

2005-08-02 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Operationally relevent, methinks. W. David Gardner writes in TechWeb News: [snip] In the race to meet FCC emergency 911 (e911) requirements, two firms log some progress, while another seeks a waiver. Under pressure to meet the FCC mandate to activate 911 service by the end of the year,