Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 5-aug-2005, at 15:55, Joe Abley wrote: It is of course possible to construct networks through which TCP behaves very poorly with anycasted services. This does not mean that TCP is fundamentally incompatible with anycast. It does mean that if people want to anycast services that run

Re: Fiber cut in SJ

2005-08-06 Thread Joe McGuckin
On 8/5/05 8:12 PM, George William Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, an electrical contractor backhoed a large fiber link in downtown San Jose (address deleted due to security concerns) this morning, causing moderate damage. That's just plain silly. As if we (or even your imagined

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:45:13 -, Paul Vixie said: disagreed. (because DNSSEC is coming.) The operational question is, of course, whether we need to worry about allocating resources for deploying DNSSEC before or after IPv6. ;) pgpbo8XS6qCho.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Andy Davidson wrote: Christopher L. Morrow wrote: will the v6 access really be enough to require LB's? or are they there for other reasons (global lb for content close to customers, regionalized content) perhaps reasons which would matter 'less' in an initial v6

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Andy Davidson wrote: Randy Bush wrote: Until such devices support IPv6, to reiterate Steve's point, it's not an option to consider approaching connectivity suppliers with IPv6 enquiries. could you comment on christopher's observation that, given the likely volume of

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sabri Berisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] With the use of anycast DNS servers on the internet, TCP is no longer an option for DNS. Erm, bollocks. Just because a few nameservers are anycasted doesn't mean that the vast majority of

Re: Why some of us are IPv6 holdouts (Was: /8 end user assignment?)

2005-08-06 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
a good email over all explaining more parts of the pie :) sweet! On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Michael Loftis wrote: --On August 5, 2005 11:13:13 AM +0200 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a huge knock-on-effect on all manner of things that you might not expect to need to think

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Daniel Golding wrote: On 8/4/05 6:49 PM, Steve Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant to ask this at a nanog or this IETF... why don't some of the - There are (perceived to be) more important things to spend our limited resources on. Why should

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Petri Helenius
Christopher L. Morrow wrote: This arguement we (mci/uunet) used/use as well: not enough demand to do any v6, put at bottom of list... (until recently atleast it still flew as an answer) How would you know if you had demand? how would you know if people who had dualstack systems were trying to

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Randy Bush
without immediate needs and immediate testing/work I doubt vendors will push in this new feature :( I may be cynical though... s;immediate testing/work;increased sales; i.e. how much will doing v6 add to the lb company's income? randy

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Petri Helenius wrote: Christopher L. Morrow wrote: This arguement we (mci/uunet) used/use as well: not enough demand to do any v6, put at bottom of list... (until recently atleast it still flew as an answer) How would you know if you had demand? how would you know if

Re: Why some of us are IPv6 holdouts (Was: /8 end user assignment?)

2005-08-06 Thread Michael Loftis
--On August 6, 2005 6:56:27 PM + Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a good email over all explaining more parts of the pie :) sweet! Thanks... I try to add something to the threads when I weigh in... .. ok, good... now in 5 years when there are 'many more' v6 users

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 6-aug-2005, at 23:58, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: how would you know if people who had dualstack systems were trying to get and failing? Run statistics off some selected recursive resolvers? Filter out spammers and other abuse first to make them more accurate. Ok, perhaps off

FCC Issues Rule Allowing FBI to Dictate Wiretap-Friendly Design for In ternet Services

2005-08-06 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Via the EFF website. [snip] Today the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) issued a release announcing its new rule expanding the reach of the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (CALEA). The ruling is a reinterpretation of the scope of CALEA and will force Internet

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-06 Thread William Warren
Actually the cable modems and Dsl modems usually have a 10.x address they are used by the ISP's to access their internal firware. Also on traces that I have done on both cable and dsl the first hop is invariably a RFC1918 address. Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] t,

Re: FCC Issues Rule Allowing FBI to Dictate Wiretap-Friendly Design for In ternet Services

2005-08-06 Thread sjk
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Randy Bush wrote: It also hobbles technical innovation by forcing companies involved in broadband to redesign their products to meet government requirements. As opposed to hobbling innovation by meeting customer requirements? who's paying the bill? and sorry to hear

Re: FCC Issues Rule Allowing FBI to Dictate Wiretap-Friendly Design for In ternet Services

2005-08-06 Thread Tony Li
i opine that some features are innovation and others not. i.e., x.25 support on modern kit seems a not innovative and a waste of resources i would rather see applied elsewhere. Probably a fairer characterization. but every feature has its cost in complexity and resources to build and

Re: FCC Issues Rule Allowing FBI to Dictate Wiretap-Friendly Design fo r In ternet Services

2005-08-06 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
I realize that CALEA is primarily geared towards traditional wiretapping (esp. pen register), but given the machinations of other organaizations (which have also mobilzed law enforcement) such as the MPAA and the RIAA, one might also surmise that this also seems to be desired for not just VoIP

Re: FCC Issues Rule Allowing FBI to Dictate Wiretap-Friendly Design for In ternet Services

2005-08-06 Thread Joshua Brady
On 8/6/05, Tony Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i opine that some features are innovation and others not. i.e., x.25 support on modern kit seems a not innovative and a waste of resources i would rather see applied elsewhere. Who said the user end needs to support a tap being done? They

Re: FCC Issues Rule Allowing FBI to Dictate Wiretap-Friendly Design for In ternet Services

2005-08-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:26:23 PDT, Tony Li said: I'm sorry, but this is simply an unsupportable statement. What is required of routers is that the provider be able to configure the device to make copies of certain packets to a monitoring port. Assuming that the monitoring port is duly

Re: FCC Issues Rule Allowing FBI to Dictate Wiretap-Friendly Design for In ternet Services

2005-08-06 Thread Tony Li
I'm sorry, but this is simply an unsupportable statement. What is required of routers is that the provider be able to configure the device to make copies of certain packets to a monitoring port. Assuming that the monitoring port is duly managed, how does this qualify as insecure? It