RE: Semi-on-topic: Light that travels faster than the speed of light?

2005-08-20 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Well, I would imagine that the faster you can ship the bits, the faster anything can happen -- including BGP convergence and botnet attacks (too!). :-) Yeah, I realize that the possibility to actually "speed up" light via the optical transmission systems may be a long ways off (or simply impossi

Re: Semi-on-topic: Light that travels faster than the speed of light?

2005-08-20 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: I doubt they are exceeding the speed of light. Propogation delay inside fiber is about 2/3 the speed of light so perhaps they have succeeded to increase the speed to 3/4? :-) -Hank > > Man, I knew I should've gotten in on the ground floor in >

RE: Semi-on-topic: Light that travels faster than the speed of light?

2005-08-20 Thread Buhrmaster, Gary
To make this operational, will this speed up BGP convergence? (note that there is a difference between group velocity and phase velocity. The posters of "300,000 Kilometers Per Second. It's Not Just a Good Idea, It's the Law!" are still valid). > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Announcement Propagation Delay in BGP

2005-08-20 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pete Templin: > Non-scientific test, but I've seen new prefixes appear at the Oregon-IX > route server in <20 seconds (we're only in Texas), and reach a modestly > steady state in <90 seconds. I've seen adjustments (prepending, etc.) > appear in 45+ seconds, and withdraws in probably the sa

Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls

2005-08-20 Thread John R Levine
> As I remember Tennessee's rules, the PSC requirement was that every > adjacent county was to be considered local. > > Area codes could usually cover multiple counties, but you usually know > what city your calling destination is in. With ISP dial-in numbers, you > might not, but that's pretty mu

Semi-on-topic: Light that travels faster than the speed of light?

2005-08-20 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Man, I knew I should've gotten in on the ground floor in any effort to speed up light -- someone's going to be rich beyond their wildest dreams. :-) (Thanks to a post over at Slashdot) the Science Blog reports that: [snip] A team of researchers from the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne

The off-topic thread

2005-08-20 Thread Steve Gibbard
How to get your customers to use the right dial-up number is presumably on topic for NANOG. I know that when I worked for a dial-up ISP many years ago, it was frequently a big issue for our customers. However, the more general topic of how to dial a phone call in various parts of North Amer

Robert Bonomi, you're a moron (was Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls)

2005-08-20 Thread Todd Vierling
> > To use 1+ for "toll alerting", in locales where intra-NPA can be toll, and > > inter-NPA can be local, you have to incur one of those sets of increased > > expenses. And the 'inconveniences' to the customer. > > Not really. Billable status of a call is known up front in today's > all-digital

Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls

2005-08-20 Thread Todd Vierling
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Robert Bonomi wrote: > To use 1+ for "toll alerting", in locales where intra-NPA can be toll, and > inter-NPA can be local, you have to incur one of those sets of increased > expenses. And the 'inconveniences' to the customer. Not really. Billable status of a call is known

Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls

2005-08-20 Thread Henry Yen
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 09:25:27AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > 1-800-800, at least, has been in use for a number of years. > and I'm pretty sure I've seen 1-800-900 numbers. here's a fairly big one: uunet public tech support 1-800-900-0241. -- Henry Yen

Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls

2005-08-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 19 14:37:28 2005 > From: Barry Shein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:31:42 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls > > > > Can't one still get minimal phone service which charges a toll on > every phone

Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls

2005-08-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 19 14:26:54 2005 > From: "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Robert Bonomi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes" > Subject: Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:20:59 -0500 > > > Thus sp