The Cidr Report

2005-09-16 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 16 21:49:29 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

[removal of service on OLD ip address for B]

2005-09-16 Thread bmanning
good afternoon, back on 14 january 2004, we provided notification that the B root server address was being renumbered. this renumbering occured 28 january 2004. we have continued to run root service on the old address since then to ease transition for those who

Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-09-16 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 17 Sep, 2005

Have we fallen of the face of the earth?

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Taber
Is this thing on... Anyone? Beuller? Beuller? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-5867642.html?tag=zdfd.newsfeed Sounds like it's going in the right direction. MRT

call for agenda items for the open steering committee meeting

2005-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
At NANOG/Los Angeles, on Sunday eve for about two hours between the tutorials and the opening reception, the NANOG Steering Committee will be holding an open meeting for those interested in discussing general NANOG concerns. The meeting will be broadcast, and a method for external input, e.g.

Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Bazan
I don't know about you, but how many times have you wanted to know the price of hardware vendor a, vendor b and vendor c's product offering only to find out that you have to contact one of their sales reps, give them all your contact company info (I'm sure you know the drill) listen to a sales

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:23:29 PDT, Matt Bazan said: (answering the second part first) to organize just such info. What I will need from all of you out there is your real time quotes (anonymously submitted is just fine, black out all the relevant personal/company info) and just include some

Re: AOL whitelisting - a heads-up and a request for assistance

2005-09-16 Thread Bill Stewart
In re-applying for whitelisting, I do see that AOL requires a minimum of 100 emails/month to maintain a whitelist entry. This is new to me, and would be worth nothing for others who may be adding or removing servers. Sounds like an obvious motivation for any big mailing list vendor to get

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: Wouldn't it be great if there was an online, updated daily, website that listed real quotes oraganized by region in the country and company size? Yes, it would be great, however it won't work. I think so. Here's what I propose. I will design and host

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread David Hubbard
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and you can have up to 7 of these attached, unless you have a those attached, in which case you can have 5 these and one those or 4 these and 2 those. You know the configurator drill.. ;) Sure, go

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Ghali
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: I don't know about you, but how many times have you wanted to know the price of hardware vendor a, vendor b and vendor c's product offering only to find out that you have to contact one of their sales reps, give them all your contact company info

Re: AOL whitelisting - a heads-up and a request for assistance

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Bill Stewart wrote: In re-applying for whitelisting, I do see that AOL requires a minimum of 100 emails/month to maintain a whitelist entry. This is new to me, and would be worth nothing for others who may be adding or removing servers. Sounds like an obvious

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Ghali wrote: I've resigned myself to it being one of the things I get paid to do. Ah yes, and don't forget that you can usually get rewarded for the time that you have to spend listening to the sales pitch by squeezing out a lunch or dinner or two out of the sales

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Bazan
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Figgins Yes, it would be great, however it won't work. Couple points. This is true typically in only the largest enterprise quotes. For the vast majority of medium and small business

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Dave Hilton
Gang, I just went through this matter in another venue (SAGe). My company's policy, and I know there are others equally stringent, is that I may divulge which products from which vendors I have looked at, and I may tell which one I picked. However, I may not divulge my processes for decision

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:55:51 EDT, David Hubbard said: Don't forget about Well we're super sized network equipment vendor X so if you rip out all of your equipment from vendor Y, you can get discount + special discount. :-) Heck, we've had vendor X give us a discount for ripping vendor X's

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Sean Figgins
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: anonymous ;-) Besides, in today's crap economy, is a vendor really going to come down on a client for violating an NDA and throw away ? I personally don't have experience with this but I'm willing to bet that most NDAs are more bark than bite.

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Bazan
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Figgins Most of the vendors I know of like to wine and dine the VPs. If a NDA gets violated, the vendor will not be forced to stop dealing with the company, just get the employee that

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sep 16, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Matt Bazan wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Figgins Yes, it would be great, however it won't work. Couple points. This is true typically in only the largest enterprise quotes. For the

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:48:43PM -0700, Matt Bazan wrote: I can see your points here. But, I think there still is value to the medium and small companies that are not bound by these types of agreements. If they wanted their pricing published, they would do so themselves. Most vendors go

image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Hess
I'd like to get some feedback as to what people's experiences are (if any) with image stream routers.. specifically the industrial ones. http://www.imagestream.com/ begin:vcard fn:Matt Hess n:Hess;Matt org:LiveWire Networks adr;dom:;;4577 Pecos St;Denver;CO;80211 email;internet:[EMAIL

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Bazan
-Original Message- From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Obviously no one is wasting their time sueing you if your company leaks the price of a low-end router to one or two of your neighbors, it isn't worth the price of the lawyers, and it isn't easy to prove.

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Charles Gucker
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 03:37:08PM -0700, Matt Bazan wrote: a) the quote was in fact from a particular company (sure, it may look darn similar - but prove? and if you're really worried, fudge some details a bit) - sure, if it's a $10 million quote that's one thing. But say a

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread David Ulevitch
On Sep 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Matt Bazan wrote: Actually, not the case. CDW and Dell (and all the others) only publish their prices for the low end gear that they sell. Anything else requires a call to a rep and establishing a relationship. This is not true, particularly with places like

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Ghali
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: Now I fully realize that it's not a light matter to put ones job on the line for this. However, I doubt, that in most cases, someone would get fired for a first time offense. And, if worried, start with something small. Bottom line is, the

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Bazan
-Original Message- From: Matt Ghali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And I am risking my career for you because...? For life and liberty and...well, ok. I'm only requesting people to provide this info if they're comfortable doing so. If not, sit back and let's see what happens.

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Warren Kumari
Uhh, make sure the data isn't stored anywhere vendor X's attornies can get to it. Rest assured, whoever hosts the site would be sent paperwork in hours, if not minutes from it's discovery. If need be I'll off shore it. Matt Fine, you can build it and off-shore it, but I suspect

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread bmanning
If need be I'll off shore it. Matt you've had lots (some) folks point out the perceived dangers of participating in such a venture. ... yet you continue to insist that such a service will be of profound value to the community as a whole and is not

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Bazan
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you've had lots (some) folks point out the perceived dangers of participating in such a venture. ... yet you continue to insist that such a service will be of profound value to the

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Hannigan, Martin
If need be I'll off shore it. Matt Fine, you can build it and off-shore it, but I suspect that is a case of if you build it they will not come. Robbing points from each other at the deal desk has 0 value to all of us. It also has 0 operational value. Ultimately, the smaller

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:48:43 PDT, Matt Bazan said: Not sure I buy that line of reasoning. Hasn't happened in the myriad of other consumer product lines that have open pricing. The key word here is consumer product. Actually, not the case. CDW and Dell (and all the others) only publish

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an agreement that should be honored ? I know they are silly in many case, but still... Regards Marshall Eubanks On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:12:40 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If need be I'll off shore it. Matt

RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Dave Hilton
marshall, No, you are not. We live or die by them. Hilton

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Matt Ghali
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an agreement that should be honored ? I agree as well. It amuses me to no end that this fellow is posting from his work account at onelegal.com. matto [EMAIL

Re: image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Greg Boehnlein
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Hess wrote: I'd like to get some feedback as to what people's experiences are (if any) with image stream routers.. specifically the industrial ones. http://www.imagestream.com/ Had a discussion with the manager of a large ISP in Turkey. He's a transplanted

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Paul G
- Original Message - From: Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matt Bazan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry Am I the only one who

Re: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry

2005-09-16 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 04:46:32PM -0700, Matt Ghali wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an agreement that should be honored ? I agree as well. It amuses me to no end that this fellow is

RE: image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
I'd be interested to know the relative pros and cons of switching packets in software (Imagestream) versus handing them off to a dedicated ASIC (Cisco, Juniper) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Boehnlein Sent: Friday, September 16,

RE: image stream routers

2005-09-16 Thread Greg Boehnlein
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Christopher J. Wolff wrote: I'd be interested to know the relative pros and cons of switching packets in software (Imagestream) versus handing them off to a dedicated ASIC (Cisco, Juniper) Probably a good question for Imagestream to answer, as I can't speak to it. I'd

IPv6 BGP Peering

2005-09-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh
What is the state of IPv6 BGP peering with US transit providers? Questions to sales / tech reps are generally met with I heard we were working on something and that's as far as I have made it so far. The routing table shows UUNet, Verio, Sprint and a few other transit providers but I am not